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  • Nay_Sayer
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    #111
    Originally posted by stealthradon
    The Glen Johnson who came from fighting a 7 15 1 guy?
    A guy whose biggest challenge so far was welterweight
    Sam Garr
    GJ has the Ws over Tarver and Roy - and those wins defecate and urinate over anything Bumlovkin has done in his career so far.


    Originally posted by stealthradon
    Felix Trinidad the welterweight?
    Trinidad's destruction of Joppy is a better win than Bumlovkin's gift over Jacobs.

    1 + 1 = 2

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    • Nay_Sayer
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      #112
      Originally posted by Koba-Grozny
      Still doesn't change the basic principle that you initially challenged - ultimately resume is as much about opportunity as it is about ability. If you don't get the fights you don't get to prove ish one way or another.
      No.

      Resume ain't about opportunity or ability. It's about accomplishment. It's about what you have done. It's about who you have beaten. Wladimir Klitschko had the opportunity and perhaps even the ability to beat Corrie Sanders - but opportunity and ability by themselves aren't enough. His resume still reads L KO2 despite the opportunity and his ability. Lets stop pretending here and deal with reality.

      Golovkin has had plenty of opportunity and even looks to have ability - however - his resume is lacking..

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        #113
        Originally posted by BangEM
        Why does GGG get away with not fighting decent boxers his size? He’s scheming for Canelo but 168 is so loaded, yet he won’t fight anyone with a belt there.
        He still has 5 fights left in his DAZN deal, so we'll see what happens. Why wouldn't he try fighting Canelo again? He's not getting more money against anyone else, and they have unfinished business. At 37 years of age, he doesn't have much time left, so he might as well try cashing out while he still can

        Originally posted by BangEM
        Andrade is also there, why can’t he fight him and take his belt. Then make GGG vs Canelo 3 an undisputed bout?
        Unfortunately, nobody seems to wanna fight Andrade, probably because he's a high risk/low reward opponent.

        Originally posted by BangEM
        The guy is another fraud that the media built up like Lomachenko. I want to see Loma also fight decent boxers his size and not a weight drained Rigo.
        You're calling 2x Olympic gold medalist, 3 weight and 4x world champion a fraud. It's not like he has a Broner resume either. He's actually beaten decent opposition, especially considering his fight count. Rigo moved up, so he wasn't weight drained. Besides, Loma beat Russell Jr, a top 5 featherweight. He also moved up and knocked out Linares, who was ranked #1, 3 weight divisions above his starting point.

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        • Citizen Koba
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          #114
          Originally posted by Nay_Sayer
          No.

          Resume ain't about opportunity or ability. It's about accomplishment. It's about what you have done. It's about who you have beaten. Wladimir Klitschko had the opportunity and perhaps even the ability to beat Corrie Sanders - but opportunity and ability by themselves aren't enough. His resume still reads L KO2 despite the opportunity and his ability. Lets stop pretending here and deal with reality.

          Golovkin has had plenty of opportunity and even looks to have ability - however - his resume is lacking..

          His resume is lacking. That much we can agree on. What we have seen, in my opinion suggests he's a good - probably very good fighter though. He wouldn't have gone 24 very close rounds with Canelo at 35 and 36 years old otherwise. Like I say, rate him as you will, my only real disappointment is that we didn't get to see him face better opposition in his prime so that we would know just how good he could have been one way or another.

          In regards to my point about resume being about opportunity I'm not clear whether you're understanding me... what I'm saying ain't really in the slightest bit controversial - the same fighter with exactly the same ability H2H will likely have a better resume if he's been with a major promoter who can get him the best fights than if he's with a minor promoter who can't... that simple. All I'm saying is whilst resume is the only real way to judge a fighters' historical standing it doesn't necessarily tell us the full story when it comes down to rating a dude's H2H ability.

          I mean - hell - look at Boo Boo Andrade or Jermall, here are dudes people are saying Golovkin and Canelo need to fight. Now I think Andrade is a real good fighter and Jermall at least good certainly, but are folk basing those demands on their stellar resumes you reckon?
          Last edited by Citizen Koba; 06-13-2019, 02:50 PM.

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            #115
            Originally posted by Nay_Sayer
            GJ has the Ws over Tarver and Roy - and those wins defecate and urinate over anything Bumlovkin has done in his career so far.



            Trinidad's destruction of Joppy is a better win than Bumlovkin's gift over Jacobs.

            1 + 1 = 2
            GJ lost to Joseph Kiwanuka, Omar Sheika, Derrick Harmon.

            Is this Joppy the same Joppy that lost to Bute?

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              #116
              Originally posted by BangEM
              Why does GGG get away with not fighting decent boxers his size? He’s scheming for Canelo but 168 is so loaded, yet he won’t fight anyone with a belt there.

              Andrade is also there, why can’t he fight him and take his belt. Then make GGG vs Canelo 3 an undisputed bout?

              The guy is another fraud that the media built up like Lomachenko. I want to see Loma also fight decent boxers his size and not a weight drained Rigo.
              I was done with GGG after the way he lovingly dismantled the smaller Kell Brook. He did a little 'c'mon' motion with his gloves in the middle of a trade, throwing bombs on him like a super bad ass.

              Yet he has had Canelo for 24 rounds and has looked like shiiiit for all but maybe 3 rounds total. Failing to pull the trigger, no body shots, looking scared as *** to go all in Mexican style against Canelo.

              Ohhhhh, but against Brook....he wanted to trade bombs all day.

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              • LetOutTheCage
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                #117
                How is he overrated exactly when half the posters on here seem to make a thread every hour saying how bad he is.

                I find the fascination with GGG weird tbh

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                  #118
                  Originally posted by Nay_Sayer
                  GJ has the Ws over Tarver and Roy - and those wins defecate and urinate over anything Bumlovkin has done in his career so far.



                  Trinidad's destruction of Joppy is a better win than Bumlovkin's gift over Jacobs.

                  1 + 1 = 2
                  That version of Roy would have gotten sent to a coma if he faced golovkin. And lol at joppy.

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                  • Nay_Sayer
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                    #119
                    Originally posted by Koba-Grozny
                    His resume is lacking. That much we can agree on. What we have seen, in my opinion suggests he's a good - probably very good fighter though. He wouldn't have gone 24 very close rounds with Canelo at 35 and 36 years old otherwise. Like I say, rate him as you will, my only real disappointment is that we didn't get to see him face better opposition in his prime so that we would know just how good he could have been one way or another.
                    Here's the deal - we could have seen Golovkin face better opposition in his prime. The Ward fight was there for him, however, Team Triple Duck weren't interested despite the whole 154-168 claim.


                    Originally posted by Koba-Grozny
                    In regards to my point about resume being about opportunity I'm not clear whether you're understanding me... what I'm saying ain't really in the slightest bit controversial - the same fighter with exactly the same ability H2H will likely have a better resume if he's been with a major promoter who can get him the best fights than if he's with a minor promoter who can't... that simple. All I'm saying is whilst resume is the only real way to judge a fighters' historical standing it doesn't necessarily tell us the full story when it comes down to rating a dude's H2H ability.

                    I mean - hell - look at Boo Boo Andrade or Jermall, here are dudes people are saying Golovkin and Canelo need to fight. Now I think Andrade is a real good fighter and Jermall at least good certainly, but are folk basing those demands on their stellar resumes you reckon?
                    We can only judge a fighters H2H ability against the opposition he's actually faced in the ring. I don't buy into this whole notion of judging a fighter H2H based on fantasy fights. Sure, Andrade and Charlo can look the part - and we can want to see them fight the best available opposition based on how they've looked fighting C level fighters - but at the end of the day it's all about who you've beaten and how you won. Unfortunately, Golovkin only has two names on his resume - winning a close controversial decision over Jacobs, getting a controversial draw with Alvarez and losing what I consider to be a very fair decision to Alvarez. I think this is the reason why we never saw Golovkin fighting the A class fighters when he was closer to his prime. Had he done so then this fraud would have been exposed a long time ago. They were smart to duck Andre Ward and the brutal KO loss that was sure to come out of that contest...

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                      #120
                      Originally posted by stealthradon
                      GJ lost to Joseph Kiwanuka, Omar Sheika, Derrick Harmon.
                      Glen Johnson has the W over Antonio Tarver.

                      Exactly WHO has Bumlovkin ever beaten?

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