Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Andy Ruiz Stops Joshua Mania, Taylor, More

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
Lewis and Klitchko came back after murderous losses. Joshua can too. It's all about the proper training specifically for Ruiz. I don't think he had that at all going into this most recent fight. Like The Man here says, Joshua's second wind is very slow coming into play... so IMO obviously his people have to get a better conditioning coach into his camp for the rematch. And obviously some very finely tuned specific prep to fight Ruiz again. I've seen a few weaknesses of Ruiz. They're obvious to anyone who has watched fighter tendencies often enough. This is a rematch Joshua can win. And yes, he must win this fight. I think he can get the W. And obviously, this will be the most important fight of both fighter's careers.

I’m on record saying AJ TKO’s Ruiz in the rematch. It was just Ruiz night and was on fire while AJ life wasn’t looked out of it. His body language was all wrong and kind of reminded me of Oscar against PAC.

Like bread said he just needs to make some minor tweaks and not over think it. Now they can train fully for Ruiz and get better. Then they can work more on having him stand up more to getting pushed back and wrap up, lean on him and tire him out....*** it might do some good having a couple sumo wrestlers work on pushing him back to build up some stamina and not be so easily backed up a week or 2.

You make some good points. Biggest deal IMO will be to extend his stamina for 12. And yes, he will do well in the rematch... definitely a good possibility of a KO win this time.

[aboutfkntime]

that is exactly what I said after the fight

Joshua needs to study Lewis/Tua

[OldTerry]

Lewis and Klitchko came back after murderous losses. Joshua can too. It's all about the proper training specifically for Ruiz. I don't think he had that at all going into this most recent fight. Like The Man here says, Joshua's second wind is very slow coming into play... so IMO obviously his people have to get a better conditioning coach into his camp for the rematch. And obviously some very finely tuned specific prep to fight Ruiz again. I've seen a few weaknesses of Ruiz. They're obvious to anyone who has watched fighter tendencies often enough. This is a rematch Joshua can win. And yes, he must win this fight. I think he can get the W. And obviously, this will be the most important fight of both fighter's careers.

You know in thinking about Joshua's stamina and his very muscular physique I was reminded about an observation made by the great Gil Clancy. Gil Clancy didn't believe in body building for boxers for various reasons. He talked about how fighters with big muscles tired more easily, something to with big muscles requiring a lot of energy and causing fighters to tire out more easily. Makes sense to me.

[Shadoww702]

that is exactly what I said after the fight

Joshua needs to study Lewis/Tua

Yup! And I wasn’t joking about having him go against some sumo wrestlers coming full force pushing him back. He needs work on that or he’s gonna get backed up just like last time. Come up slapping arms pushing him back. Until he can at least contain the bull rush.

[TheUptownKid]

Agreed. NFL linemen are typically meatballs & have surprising quickness & agility chasing down cat-quick rb's. I'm not questioning that. Like Bread said...they get breaks in between plays. & sit on the sideline wen the other side of the ball is on the field. Boxing is all abount endurance & explosion aerobic and anaerobic at the same time...as well as durability. I see a fatboy like that in feont of me...i burn his ass out & create openings & get him outta there. Joshua didnt even lay on him make him carry his weight. But he wasnt fit to fight that night clearly. To try & act like fat people breathe better...use energy more efficiently & effectively is ******ed.

I think Ruiz wasn’t out of breath because he was dictating pace. He walked joshua down and didn’t have to throw too many punches. He says he just waited for Joshua to throw then he countered him.

Joshua on the other hand had to be on high alert because he was trying to react to Ruiz. He also got hurt which will sap your energy. These factors led to him tiring earlier, but like you said if he would have been able to dictate pace and distance he could have caught his breath.

I think Andy did a great job of ****ing his body with those jabs and body shots late which further wore down Joshua. Either way I think Andy’s ring generalship is a big reason why he won.

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
Lewis and Klitchko came back after murderous losses. Joshua can too. It's all about the proper training specifically for Ruiz. I don't think he had that at all going into this most recent fight. Like The Man here says, Joshua's second wind is very slow coming into play... so IMO obviously his people have to get a better conditioning coach into his camp for the rematch. And obviously some very finely tuned specific prep to fight Ruiz again. I've seen a few weaknesses of Ruiz. They're obvious to anyone who has watched fighter tendencies often enough. This is a rematch Joshua can win. And yes, he must win this fight. I think he can get the W. And obviously, this will be the most important fight of both fighter's careers.

You know in thinking about Joshua's stamina and his very muscular physique I was reminded about an observation made by the great Gil Clancy. Gil Clancy didn't believe in body building for boxers for various reasons. He talked about how fighters with big muscles tired more easily, something to with big muscles requiring a lot of energy and causing fighters to tire out more easily. Makes sense to me.

Yes, exactly. Bodybuilders in football is a good idea... but a terrible one for boxing.

[aboutfkntime]

You know in thinking about Joshua's stamina and his very muscular physique I was reminded about an observation made by the great Gil Clancy. Gil Clancy didn't believe in body building for boxers for various reasons. He talked about how fighters with big muscles tired more easily, something to with big muscles requiring a lot of energy and causing fighters to tire out more easily. Makes sense to me.

when I was a kid, we were never allowed anywhere near the weight room..... it was off-limits

the speed-machine is the only equipment we could use

only the older more-advanced guys used weights, and then it was very specific tailored routines in short sessions

[Baba K]

I'm sorry 'Breadman', but how can you say Danny Garcia is a win or two away from the hall of fame? He's slightly above average.

Agreed...Garcia is a good fighter but the HoF should be a group of the best or most noteworthy of each era. In my opinion, Garcia is way more than a win away from the HoF (he already lost to Thurman & Porter...)

[Sledgeweather17]

Canelo/Charlo even money in NY ? The Charlo that only just eeked it out vs Korobov ? I know styles make fights, but can't see anything in Charlo's style that wouldn't have Canelo as the strong favourite.

Charlo struggles against Southpaws (Trout/Koborov) but he is dangerous against Orthodox stance fighters.

Canelo is not a southpaw so he could get nailed by Charlo as Charlo has dominated every Orthodox fighter he has ever fought.

Remember that Canelo himself also struggled against Southpaws (Lara and Trout) and even Kirkland was beating him up before the KO.

Generally most fighters struggle against the southpaw style so I wouldn't really put too much stock in a fighter's performances against that style. Even the great Floyd Mayweather was perceived to be a guy who struggles against Southpaws and was given fits by Judah and Corley before making adjustments.

[Sledgeweather17]

Canelo/Charlo even money in NY ? The Charlo that only just eeked it out vs Korobov ? I know styles make fights, but can't see anything in Charlo's style that wouldn't have Canelo as the strong favourite.

Agreed. NFL linemen are typically meatballs & have surprising quickness & agility chasing down cat-quick rb's. I'm not questioning that. Like Bread said...they get breaks in between plays. & sit on the sideline wen the other side of the ball is on the field. Boxing is all abount endurance & explosion aerobic and anaerobic at the same time...as well as durability. I see a fatboy like that in feont of me...i burn his ass out & create openings & get him outta there. Joshua didnt even lay on him make him carry his weight. But he wasnt fit to fight that night clearly. To try & act like fat people breathe better...use energy more efficiently & effectively is ******ed.

Bro Joshua ain't outlasting anyone in the stamina department, fat or not. Joshua's stamina is and always was dog poo. You cannot possibly be serious about developing a fight strategy for Joshua based on sapping the opposition's stamina when he will most likely, or rather most definitely tire long before the other guy does.