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You have to go JMM. SS even at a young age goes 2nd. Lol at have Khan and Kirkland as notable wins tho
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I would add Edwin Rosario to the list of Chavez's notable wins.Comment
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The whole “x amount of hall of famers” is not that important. For example Mosley will be hall of fame but Alfonso Zamora and Lionel Rose won’t be so is Canelo U12 shot Mosley > Olivares KO5 Rose or Zarate KO4 Zamora? Of course not. It’s a lazy way of viewing the merits of the fights and fighters and shows a lack of real research and/or knowledge and understanding.
Ruben Olivares has to be up there
KO of a prime Lionel Rose which is a better win than most. Series win over Chucho Castillo. These are fighters that without Olivares would be great. You’ve got to remember in last eras there were less titles, less divisions so to be #1 meant a lot more and was harder. There were better fighters that never won titles than a lot of today’s multi weight champs and “hall of famers”. Olivares also destroyed Jesus Pimentel and Bobby Chacon. Alan Rudkin was an excellent contender - destroyed. He blew out Jose Luis Ramirez in two. Look at his pre-title run too - Medel, Burrini, Gomez then you’ve got wins like Stevens, Hafey, Torres.
Sanchez might have as strong a top 3 as any of them and perhaps Marquez and Olivares are closest but Chavez’ overall quantity and depth is fantastic as is the consistency. He didn’t beat any great fighters and the best names as far as HOF goes were past prime already but that just proves that’s not the best way to go about it. He probably stopped Taylor being extremely great.
Vicente Saldivar has an incredible resume too. Best Sugar Ramos for the title. Awesome fighter and victory in his prime. Howard Winstone 3x, Johnny Famechon, Jose Legra. These are fighters who’d be “hall of famers” in a more watered down era with more divisions and belts. They were basically in the wrong era because of Saldivar. Their weaknesses are their era the same way Wilder and Joshua biggest strength is their era for example.
1. Chavez
2. Olivares
3. Marquez
4. Sanchez
5. Saldivar
I can’t see how that’s not the top 5 Mexican fighters though I can see an argument on the order.Last edited by chrisJS; 06-05-2019, 09:54 PM.Comment
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I thought JMM beat Freddie Norwood, Chris John and Tim Bradley.
He should also have at the very least, 1 other win versus Pac, at least. The trilogy was a clear W for JMM in my cards.
JMM outlanded Bradley in meaningful power punches in 9 rounds out of 12. The judge with the closest thing to a good scorecard was 115-113 for Marquez and even that was too generous for Bradley.Comment
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I don’t think Danny Lopez was better than Lionel Rose or Chucho Castillo for example to name a couple of Olivares’ prime opponents. Rose dethroned Harada and has wins against Medel, Rudkin and Castillo. He was awesome in his prime until Olivares ended it. The hall of fame can sometimes get it wrong. Ingemar Johansson and Barry McGuigan are Hall of famers for example. Bobby Chacon too is better than Lopez. Nelson went on to have a great career but was totally unestablished in 1982.
I like Danny Lopez a lot but I’m not sure he was better than Famechon, Winstone, Legra, Laguna and Ramos to name a few of Vicente Saldivar’s best opponents. He had more defenses than those guys but he didn’t have to go through Saldivar or Jofre for his title. He was stopped by ***uyama around the time an old Jofre blasted ***ayama and also split bouts with Octavio Gomez around the time a 40 year old Jofre outpointed him. Famechon, Legra, Winstone probably have too much mobility, speed and skills for Lopez. Laguna of course went on to become a great lightweight champion.Comment
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Marquez definitely beat Norwood and John by at least two rounds each and deserved at least 3 Pacquaio wins. The Bradley fight at the arena I felt Marquez won but have scored it twice on TV and had it a draw each time. Bradley got a little too much credit from the commentary team and judges in that one.Comment
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