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  • LacedUp
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    Finally watched AJ vs Ruiz - Here are my thoughts

    I didn't get to see the fight live as I had been up to 6-7 am watching Liverpool win the champions league! Caught the Coyle vs Algieri scrap and the Buatsi fight, as well as that 1 round middleweight fight before falling asleep... thinking AJ probably had a relatively easy night infront of him anyway.

    Obviously I was as shocked as you all were when I woke up and saw he'd been knocked out, and not just knocked out but beaten up.

    Well now i've finally watched the whole fight, from before the ring-walk until seeing AJs dad wanting to fight Eddie Hearn. lol.

    First of all

    AJ didn't look right to me in the dressing room.

    This is not an excuse as much as it is a criticism of him. He looked half nervous half head somewhere else. In hindsight it's easy to say of course but he didn't look his usual self. He's usually so relaxed, smiling etc and honestly, he looked nervous to me.

    In the dressing room, during the ring walk and when he came into the ring. Just looked like he was not focused, and perhaps that he had carried something into the fight.

    Now, I don't think it was an injury, but more like he'd been hurt in sparring leading up to the fight. He had marks all over his face in the final week which screams of someone desperate to get the last bit of sparring in. That's always bad.

    The fight itself

    He looked OK in the first few rounds, until he dropped Ruiz. But I don't get why he immediately stepped back instead of taking center of the ring against the smaller fighter. Again, tells me he was lacking confidence.

    He got desperate and went for the KO of a guy who was not ready to get knocked out and got himself beaten.

    And beaten badly.

    This is not lewis vs mccall

    AJ was properly beaten. He took a beating imo. Mentally and physically, and I think it's entirely fair of everyone to consider whether he's in fact a hypejob.

    Of course we will know more about this in the rematch, but for the moment it's entirely plausible. It'll be interesting to see what AJ does from here on out.

    He was not only beaten by the better man on the night, but just quite probably the better man.

    Did he quit?

    Yes I think he did. I don't know if he was concussed or whatever, but to me he didn't look like it. He just looked like a guy who had enough.

    I've never been one to criticize 'quitters' so to speak. I'm not the guy in the ring, so I can't pass judgement. But he certainly seemed to quit. That's my honest assessment.

    Andy Ruiz

    Could this have happened to a better guy?
    Honestly, this guy is such a nice guy and strikes me as someone who this would never happen to, know what I mean?

    I'd rather have wanted Wilder to be the man who did this for obvious reasons, but a close second is Andy Ruiz.

    A few of us on the forum did note he was a proper fighter before the fight, now everyone seems to be geniuses "knowing this would happen". That's ridiculous.

    He wasn't lucky, he was better.

    Knocked him down, knocked him out.
    Champ.
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    Originally posted by -MAKAVELLI-
    great summary, Lacedup...

    i think all the fat paychecks and the hype leading up to the superfight might have been in his head...along with the pressure of his US debut

    but big props to Ruiz...i knew he would be troublesome with his handspeed, but i didnt think he was gonna stop AJ


    now i'm hoping for a King Kong upset to complete the HW chaos
    Me neither, but he really showed up! he looked pretty awesome actually.

    Haha, I hope Wilder wins, we need one champion!

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      Originally posted by LacedUp
      I didn't get to see the fight live as I had been up to 6-7 am watching Liverpool win the champions league! Caught the Coyle vs Algieri scrap and the Buatsi fight, as well as that 1 round middleweight fight before falling asleep... thinking AJ probably had a relatively easy night infront of him anyway.

      Obviously I was as shocked as you all were when I woke up and saw he'd been knocked out, and not just knocked out but beaten up.

      Well now i've finally watched the whole fight, from before the ring-walk until seeing AJs dad wanting to fight Eddie Hearn. lol.

      First of all

      AJ didn't look right to me in the dressing room.

      This is not an excuse as much as it is a criticism of him. He looked half nervous half head somewhere else. In hindsight it's easy to say of course but he didn't look his usual self. He's usually so relaxed, smiling etc and honestly, he looked nervous to me.

      In the dressing room, during the ring walk and when he came into the ring. Just looked like he was not focused, and perhaps that he had carried something into the fight.

      Now, I don't think it was an injury, but more like he'd been hurt in sparring leading up to the fight. He had marks all over his face in the final week which screams of someone desperate to get the last bit of sparring in. That's always bad.

      The fight itself

      He looked OK in the first few rounds, until he dropped Ruiz. But I don't get why he immediately stepped back instead of taking center of the ring against the smaller fighter. Again, tells me he was lacking confidence.

      He got desperate and went for the KO of a guy who was not ready to get knocked out and got himself beaten.

      And beaten badly.

      This is not lewis vs mccall

      AJ was properly beaten. He took a beating imo. Mentally and physically, and I think it's entirely fair of everyone to consider whether he's in fact a hypejob.

      Of course we will know more about this in the rematch, but for the moment it's entirely plausible. It'll be interesting to see what AJ does from here on out.

      He was not only beaten by the better man on the night, but just quite probably the better man.

      Did he quit?

      Yes I think he did. I don't know if he was concussed or whatever, but to me he didn't look like it. He just looked like a guy who had enough.

      I've never been one to criticize 'quitters' so to speak. I'm not the guy in the ring, so I can't pass judgement. But he certainly seemed to quit. That's my honest assessment.

      Andy Ruiz

      Could this have happened to a better guy?
      Honestly, this guy is such a nice guy and strikes me as someone who this would never happen to, know what I mean?

      I'd rather have wanted Wilder to be the man who did this for obvious reasons, but a close second is Andy Ruiz.

      A few of us on the forum did note he was a proper fighter before the fight, now everyone seems to be geniuses "knowing this would happen". That's ridiculous.

      He wasn't lucky, he was better.

      Knocked him down, knocked him out.
      Champ.
      Probably had his mind on the Skype Wanker Amir Khan's wife.

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        great post but there is something in this whole order I cannot put my finger on.

        Is Aj having any problems with Hearns?????

        Is there anything out there bothering him that is not boxing related?
        Does this guy has honor and is tired of all the Boxing BS?

        What is really going on?

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          Joshua was probably wan't at his best, but the fight exposed clear weaknesses in his ability to rumble inside and at middle distance. I don't like his chances against Wilder or against a focused version of Fury (on the rare occasions that he appears.) All three have significant limitations, as does Ruiz.

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            and the man in the HW division is Fury, plain and simple.

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              #7
              Good post as always lad.



              I didn't see the fight live either, my girlfriend and her friend were over (no I'm not that lucky) and didn't want to bore them with the match.


              I thought it would be a cake walk for AJ too.


              Then I came on here like what the hell

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                #8
                Originally posted by Beercules
                Good post as always lad.



                I didn't see the fight live either, my girlfriend and her friend were over (no I'm not that lucky) and didn't want to bore them with the match.


                I thought it would be a cake walk for AJ too.


                Then I came on here like what the hell
                I woke my wife up at 11am (we'd been up late) and I was like "AJ lost".

                Even she couldn't believe that guy beat AJ! I had tried to tell her Ruiz was a good fighter, but she loves AJ and couldn't imagine anything beating him. haha.

                I damn near had to comfort her and tell her shiet happens in boxing.

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                  No excuses.

                  All nerves just like gameplans are lost once you punch or get punched.

                  AJ was beat down by Ruiz and I mean beat down. No different to Salido vs Lopez. Props to Ruiz for exposing the hype Job and I’m laughing at all the Brits/ AJ groupies that trolled this forum in overwhelming numbers.

                  Y’all were quite frankly almost as bad as the manginas that defended the naked sushi extortionist.

                  AJ needs to consider himself
                  Lucky he didn’t end up Wilders body because no doubt in my
                  Mind with the resentment and build up, Wilder would’ve literally killed Joshua.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by boogbx
                    No excuses.

                    All nerves just like gameplans are lost once you punch or get punched.

                    AJ was beat down by Ruiz and I mean beat down. No different to Salido vs Lopez. Props to Ruiz for exposing the hype Job and I’m laughing at all the Brits/ AJ groupies that trolled this forum in overwhelming numbers.

                    Y’all were quite frankly almost as bad as the manginas that defended the naked sushi extortionist.

                    AJ needs to consider himself
                    Lucky he didn’t end up Wilders body because no doubt in my
                    Mind with the resentment and build up, Wilder would’ve literally killed Joshua.
                    Ruiz and Wilder fight totally differently.
                    We don't know what would happen if AJ fought Wilder.

                    Wilder was hurt badly by Ortiz, does that mean AJ would have knocked him out? No. He got hit a lot by Tyson Fury, does that mean AJ would have knocked him out? again no.

                    Wilder shouldn't get a fantasy victory here. He needs to get a real win in the ring.

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