Did AJ/Hearn drop the ball trying to invade USA? Should they have stayed in the UK?

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  • PRINCEKOOL
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    #21
    I am also wondering whether warm weather training has a negative impact of Joshua, his stamina looked very bad. He looked as if he was suffering from 'David Price' syndrome almost.

    I think this is a exciting chapter is Joshua's career, and his relationship with Eddie Hearn 'It is these ups and downs which making boxing exciting, because when your fighter loses it is devastating' Joshua was soundly beaten though, this was not Rahman or Olver McCall type situation.

    Anthony Joshua was beaten up by Andrew Ruiz Junior.

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      #22
      Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
      I am also wondering whether warm weather training has a negative impact of Joshua, his stamina looked very bad. He looked as if he was suffering from 'David Price' syndrome almost.

      I think this is a exciting chapter is Joshua's career, and his relationship with Eddie Hearn 'It is these ups and downs which making boxing exciting, because when your fighter loses it is devastating' Joshua was soundly beaten though, this was not Rahman or Olver McCall type situation.

      Anthony Joshua was beaten up by Andrew Ruiz Junior.
      The body assimilates very quickly. Especially to climate. He had a full camp in Florida.

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        #23
        Originally posted by W1LL
        Hindsight makes geniuses of us all.

        What was the thinking behind invading the US for AJ and Hearn? Chasing the big fights? Maximizing earning potential? Becoming undisputed? Fighting in the UK has been a very profitable business for AJ and Matchroom. They could have continued to do that whilst making 10s of millions per fight.

        For the opponent, coming to the UK to fight AJ is a much, much taller task than facing him on neutral ground. That partisan UK crowd on home soil really cannot be over-estimated. As it turns out, seems AJ completely bottled it mentally fighting in NYC.

        Seems they sacrificed a lot last night. Going forward they probably have no choice but to go abroad to take the big fights. Redemption is going to have to be sought on other fighter's terms. So much leverage for AJ/Hearn went down the drain.
        Eddie Hearn said he wanted to make this a night to remember
        And he did , he made miracles for Dazn and also made history with the turnout of the fight , imo
        He’s just doing what every other person with a dream and nice kick in the arse ( Dazn $$$ ) would do
        Hearn is alright , he’s got money , this won’t kill him and I’m thinking Dazn will be ok also, that’s whether they stay in the fighting business or not
        Today , I witnessed more talking of boxing on the tube ( yeah I still watch the tube ) than I did in a long fughin time

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          #24
          Originally posted by W1LL
          What was the thinking behind invading the US for AJ and Hearn?
          Different for both guys.

          Eddie is getting this cherry ass US deal with DAZN that is basically a no lose situation for him. Either he becomes a player in the US boxing game or he doesn't & can go back to kicking Warren's ass on the daily in the UK boxing game.

          For Joshua I think he was likely pressured by DAZN into fighting in the US with the lure of some Canelo-like multifight 9 digit offer which was rumored to be dangling in front of if he became sellable to US fans. And he could still get that offer, likely slightly lowered, if he beats Ruiz in the rematch.

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            #25
            Originally posted by _Rexy_
            The body assimilates very quickly. Especially to climate. He had a full camp in Florida.
            It’s killing me , forgot to mention this
            Did you notice Ruiz , not sure what round it was , in between rounds in his corner he shushed the cut man so he could listen to his trainer
            Another thing , was their actually over 10000 Brits in MSG
            When that Mannix guy interviewed Eddie Hearn , the crowd started booing
            I was in total shock and can’t believe no one picked up on that
            You said you could rewind , yeah yeah I know the buffering , but if you could confirm this
            I’m pretty sure I wasn’t hallucinating

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              #26
              Originally posted by MulaKO
              It’s killing me , forgot to mention this
              Did you notice Ruiz , not sure what round it was , in between rounds in his corner he shushed the cut man so he could listen to his trainer
              Another thing , was their actually over 10000 Brits in MSG
              When that Mannix guy interviewed Eddie Hearn , the crowd started booing
              I was in total shock and can’t believe no one picked up on that
              You said you could rewind , yeah yeah I know the buffering , but if you could confirm this
              I’m pretty sure I wasn’t hallucinating
              I’m at work right now, but they 100% boo’d Hearn. I assumed it was the U.K. fans that were doing that though. Like when Gary Bettman gets bood by every hockey fan in the world.

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                #27
                Originally posted by _Rexy_
                I’m at work right now, but they 100% boo’d Hearn. I assumed it was the U.K. fans that were doing that though. Like when Gary Bettman gets bood by every hockey fan in the world.
                Ahhh fugh I wouldn’t have believed it if I didn’t hear it with my own ears
                Why would they boo him , I can count on both hands the times I’ve heard a British chit on him

                The shushing part , with Ruiz and his corner , that was fughin classic
                Did you catch it or you missed it
                You’ll have a good laugh
                It just seemed unreal , I think it’s the first time I ever witness the boxer telling a corner man to shut up
                Usually it’s the head chief , the way it should be , doing the only talking in the corner

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by _Rexy_
                  The body assimilates very quickly. Especially to climate. He had a full camp in Florida.
                  Yes I know, I am just wondering if? For him personally he would of preferred to stay in his usual training environment. Something was off anyway, the Kiltschko fight was a by far more intense pace, or so it appeared.

                  I am not sure why people buzz off Mami, must be a annoying place to train too civilized 'Ether which way Joshua was beaten up comprehensively'.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Eff Pandas
                    Different for both guys.

                    Eddie is getting this cherry ass US deal with DAZN that is basically a no lose situation for him. Either he becomes a player in the US boxing game or he doesn't & can go back to kicking Warren's ass on the daily in the UK boxing game.

                    For Joshua I think he was likely pressured by DAZN into fighting in the US with the lure of some Canelo-like multifight 9 digit offer which was rumored to be dangling in front of if he became sellable to US fans. And he could still get that offer, likely slightly lowered, if he beats Ruiz in the rematch.
                    Yo Eff
                    C’mon don’t tell me YOU didn’t notice Ruiz telling his corner to stfu
                    Ok ok he shushed him
                    I was laughing my ass off

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by MulaKO
                      Ahhh fugh I wouldn’t have believed it if I didn’t hear it with my own ears
                      Why would they boo him , I can count on both hands the times I’ve heard a British chit on him

                      The shushing part , with Ruiz and his corner , that was fughin classic
                      Did you catch it or you missed it
                      You’ll have a good laugh
                      It just seemed unreal , I think it’s the first time I ever witness the boxer telling a corner man to shut up
                      Usually it’s the head chief , the way it should be , doing the only talking in the corner
                      I didn’t see that, but that’s fantastic. What round? Just shows how important it was to Ruiz. He did his homework, and his trainer did too. They had a game plan and other than the knockdown they executed it flawlessly.

                      Also, on the Ruiz KD, did it look to you like his head was kind of held? I watched it a few times and it seems like as he’s trying to dodge joshua’s punch he got stuck on Joshua’s other hand. Wasn’t blatant like Fury/Cunningham...maybe it was just me? lol

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