I guess this confirms Fury as #1

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    #31
    Originally posted by makaveli1875
    He will land a significant punch significantly earlier next time.
    Fantastic analysis there, well done son, i bow to your incredible boxing knowledge.

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      #32
      Originally posted by |DARKSEID|
      Based on what? He only caught fury because fury stepped off the pedal thinking he had the fight in the bag.

      How is he going to land a significant punch on furyearlier, when he fights the same exact way every single time?

      How is he going to set fury up doing what he always does?
      He has Fury sussed. Fury knows it that's why he ducked the rematch

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        #33
        Originally posted by makaveli1875
        You say deontay got lucky. Some say Fury was lucky to get up - his own father being 1 of them.
        This is HW boxing, people get dropped, so what? Fury is all heart, he got up and won the rest of the round, and even stunned Wilder in the process.

        Fury has it all, skills, chin and heart. That's why he's #1.

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          #34
          Originally posted by makaveli1875
          He has Fury sussed. Fury knows it that's why he ducked the rematch
          I asked you for a better explanation other than having wilder's nuts in your mouth lol.

          Bascially what i'm asking you is, how is wilder going to checkmate fury, when wilder sucks at chess and fury is a master at it.

          If power and strength are all it takes to beat a master boxer, foreman would have beat ali.

          Foremam vs ali is another example of checkers vs chess.

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            #35
            Originally posted by |DARKSEID|
            Im sorry, but can you explain how wilder will beat fury in 5 rounds, when he could only land two significant punches in the entire first fight?

            I hope you have some other meaningful explanation of your prediction other than having wilder's nuts in your mouth lol
            I'll explain in detail, if you disagree that's fine, but this is my take.

            1.) Wilder came in extremely light and was like 50 pounds lighter, that's an extremely huge advantage, despite this, he was still able to seriously hurt Fury.

            2.) Wilder has the speed and the length to jab Fury to the body, and hurt him to the body. Fury has great movement but I think Wilder is quick enough to catch him to the body and put rounds in the bank.

            3.) Fury despite what he says will undoubtedly fight more cautiously this time around and Wilder will be at his optimum weight of about 225 pounds or more. This will open up a lot more opportunities for Wilder.


            4.) Fury sacrifices power for being mobile and having the ability to punch off angles and being evasive. Which against literally other heavyweight imo would spell victory for Fury. I say this because I don't believe he can really deter a heavier Wilder without sitting down on his punches and that spells disaster. Outside of a hail mary punch I don't see him seriously hurting Wilder either, while we know the opposite is obviously true.

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              #36
              Originally posted by |DARKSEID|
              I asked you for a better explanation other than having wilder's nuts in your mouth lol.

              Bascially what i'm asking you is, how is wilder going to checkmate fury, when wilder sucks at chess and fury is a master at it.

              If power and strength are all it takes to beat a master boxer, foreman would have beat ali.

              Foremam vs ali is another example of checkers vs chess.
              Basically fury is not Ali and theyre not playing chess. Wilder knows how to put Fury on his ass, he did it twice. Fury can't hurt Wilder all he can do is run and hope he doesn't get cracked.. Which he will and when he gets cracked he will go down

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                #37
                Originally posted by WhatDisButtonDo
                I'll explain in detail, if you disagree that's fine, but this is my take.

                1.) Wilder came in extremely light and was like 50 pounds lighter, that's an extremely huge advantage, despite this, he was still able to seriously hurt Fury.

                2.) Wilder has the speed and the length to jab Fury to the body, and hurt him to the body. Fury has great movement but I think Wilder is quick enough to catch him to the body and put rounds in the bank.

                3.) Fury despite what he says will undoubtedly fight more cautiously this time around and Wilder will be at his optimum weight of about 225 pounds or more. This will open up a lot more opportunities for Wilder.


                4.) Fury sacrifices power for being mobile and having the ability to punch off angles and being evasive. Which against literally other heavyweight imo would spell victory for Fury. I say this because I don't believe he can really deter a heavier Wilder without sitting down on his punches and that spells disaster. Outside of a hail mary punch I don't see him seriously hurting Wilder either, while we know the opposite is obviously true.
                Wilder looked fast, fit and mobile against Fury, he lost due Fury having better skills and defense, it wasn't because the bigger man imposed himself and roughed the smaller man up.

                If Wilder bulks up against Fury he sacrifices speed and stamina. Fury however, will be faster in a rematch.

                Yeah he came in heavier against Breazeale, but that fight didn't really tell us anything other than Wilder is a monster puncher, which we already know.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by denium
                  Wilder looked fast, fit and mobile against Fury, he lost due Fury having better skills and defense, it wasn't because the bigger man imposed himself and roughed the smaller man up.

                  If Wilder bulks up against Fury he sacrifices speed and stamina. Fury however, will be faster in a rematch.

                  Yeah he came in heavier against Breazeale, but that fight didn't really tell us anything other than Wilder is a monster puncher, which we already know.
                  225 for Wilder is not bulked up, I think he over trained. I was referencing the weight because it seems to affect him in other ways not just being bullied. I think Fury got to Wilder and he just went in there trying to knock his block off. I think Fury is the best boxer in the HW division I just think Wilder is the worst match up for him. I just don't think that on a good day for Wilder there's a heavyweight who can avoid his right hand for 12 hours that has the skill to avoid getting knocked out and getting to Wilder first.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by WhatDisButtonDo
                    225 for Wilder is not bulked up, I think he over trained. I was referencing the weight because it seems to affect him in other ways not just being bullied. I think Fury got to Wilder and he just went in there trying to knock his block off. I think Fury is the best boxer in the HW division I just think Wilder is the worst match up for him. I just don't think that on a good day for Wilder there's a heavyweight who can avoid his right hand for 12 hours that has the skill to avoid getting knocked out and getting to Wilder first.
                    Wilder has a punchers chance against anyone don't get me wrong, but i fail to see how he beats a fitter and faster Tyson. Wilder is not an unbeatable monster, Ortiz nearly had him out of there and he's been lit up by Polish midget football hooligans and american football players before now.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by denium
                      Wilder has a punchers chance against anyone don't get me wrong, but i fail to see how he beats a fitter and faster Tyson. Wilder is not an unbeatable monster, Ortiz nearly had him out of there and he's been lit up by Polish midget football hooligans and american football players before now.
                      Bingo

                      IF Fury is fit, it’s easy work

                      People forget that Tyson came into their last fight rusty and having lost a huge amount of weight very quickly from a negligible fitness base

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