Comments Thread For: Erislandy Lara Eyes Return on August 31, Against Canelo's Brother

[Boxing_1013]

Light touch for Lara, but he deserves one imo. Kind of an interesting angle with Canelo's brother as well.

Since everyone else is bringing it up, I thought Lara was up 5-3 against Canelo then pissed away the last 4 rounds with limited activity while Canelo upped his. My card looked nothing like the judges' cards though so who knows.

I will also add that Lara is probably my 2nd favorite fighter of this era so I would have loved to give him that one, I just think he did what he often does in some fights, piss away rounds with limited activity. I still thought he beat Hurd 7-5 though.

I need to watch that Castano fight - never really looked into what happened there.

Side-note - if Lara got 2/3 of those wins over Williams, Canelo and Hurd as most people probably feel he deserved, his resume would look a lot different/better. Prime example imo of a guy where unfortunately his talent wasn't enough to get him the results - if you aren't from the right place sometimes in boxing you better make sure you get KOs.

[sicko]

No problem with Castano vs Soro II happening first, wish Michel Soro would come over to America though, very good fighter and Draws well in France but 154 is hot in America right now, why not come over and jump in the middle of it. I think he is talented enough to Compete with all of them for sure. Last time he was in the US I think it was when he destroyed Glen Tapia

As for Lara, which Canelo Brother besides Ramon?

[BigStomps]

see where you're wrong is... you assume I'm inconsistent. My issues with Canelo fans is that many put their support of him ahead of logic or reason. They just want to support whatever Canelo does even if it makes many of them look like hypocrites. I thought Lara won because he fought the kind of fight that he intended to. We all know he boxes and moves. He relies on the jab, will drop a straight left and get out of the way to avoid being countered. Canelo knew that and couldn't do much about it. Guys like angulo and Hurd brought their balls vs Lara and forced him to fight. They wouldn't let him breathe. Instead, Canelo tried to box him and as is often the case, he conserves too much energy, so he couldn't put the pressure that he needed to. The guy landed something like 8 jabs the whole fight. Seperately, I also think fury beat wilder. Wilder also fought in spurts and was mostly left to be ineffective due to Fury's boxing and movement. Similar to how I saw Canelo vs Lara.

Okay fair enough. But that's why I said I had no problem if you had Lara winning cause I thought it was a very close fight that could of gone either way. It all depends on what an individual is looking for...
Some people like an aggressive fighter, some like counterpunching and body punching, and some like pure boxing,....
It all depends how a certain individual scores a fight.
But in no way was that a robbery. I had that fight a draw but it don't matter WTF I say or you say for that matter,....
All that matters is the three judges who had Canelo winning.
But at the same time it's hard to feel sorry for Lara cause he could of easily done more in the fight and possibly could of gotten the win.
Same with Daniel Jacob's....
Tripps me out how they get a once in a lifetime opportunity and don't take enough chances and then complain about judges instead of blaming themselves for their lack of activity.

[garfios]

Okay fair enough. But that's why I said I had no problem if you had Lara winning cause I thought it was a very close fight that could of gone either way. It all depends on what an individual is looking for...
Some people like an aggressive fighter, some like counterpunching and body punching, and some like pure boxing,....
It all depends how a certain individual scores a fight.
But in no way was that a robbery. I had that fight a draw but it don't matter WTF I say or you say for that matter,....
All that matters is the three judges who had Canelo winning.
But at the same time it's hard to feel sorry for Lara cause he could of easily done more in the fight and possibly could of gotten the win.
Same with Daniel Jacob's....
Tripps me out how they get a once in a lifetime opportunity and don't take enough chances and then complain about judges instead of blaming themselves for their lack of activity.

I do understand your point. But why a fighter like Lara has to become a bull against a guy, that he can beat by staying on the outside? Why ginger didn't pressure Lara? It was because he couldn't do it or was afraid of the counter? At the end of the day Lara fought his fight and outclassed ginger, but the corruption it is always at work in boxing. williams went after Lara and he got beat up, perro did the same and got the beating of his life, even hurd went after a faded Lara and he took a lot of damage, and the Cuban was not the same fighter from 5 years ago. So why ginger was so gun-shy? If you win a fight, you should be declare the winner.

[BigStomps]

I do understand your point. But why a fighter like Lara has to become a bull against a guy, that he can beat by staying on the outside? Why ginger didn't pressure Lara? It was because he couldn't do it or was afraid of the counter? At the end of the day Lara fought his fight and outclassed ginger, but the corruption it is always at work in boxing. williams went after Lara and he got beat up, perro did the same and got the beating of his life, even hurd went after a faded Lara and he took a lot of damage, and the Cuban was not the same fighter from 5 years ago. So why ginger was so gun-shy? If you win a fight, you should be declare the winner.

I totally agree with you!
But you said it man, boxing is corrupt! Aside from the corruption the star fighter/player is always gonna get the benefit of a doubt and the star treatment. That goes for any sport. The star player gets the star treatment... Everyone knows this!
In boxing a fighter has to do more in order to get a decision against the star fighter. Boxer's know that but they fail to do so...
Is it right? No it's not.
Is it fair?? Of course not!
But that's boxing!

[Jab jab boom]

Okay fair enough. But that's why I said I had no problem if you had Lara winning cause I thought it was a very close fight that could of gone either way. It all depends on what an individual is looking for...
Some people like an aggressive fighter, some like counterpunching and body punching, and some like pure boxing,....
It all depends how a certain individual scores a fight.
But in no way was that a robbery. I had that fight a draw but it don't matter WTF I say or you say for that matter,....
All that matters is the three judges who had Canelo winning.
But at the same time it's hard to feel sorry for Lara cause he could of easily done more in the fight and possibly could of gotten the win.
Same with Daniel Jacob's....
Tripps me out how they get a once in a lifetime opportunity and don't take enough chances and then complain about judges instead of blaming themselves for their lack of activity.

more so with Jacobs. When Lara fought Canelo, it was a big fight but he wasn't yet the biggest name in boxing. Now he is and Jacobs had been begging for the fight. Meanwhile he chose not to wake up until the 7th round.

[garfios]

I totally agree with you!
But you said it man, boxing is corrupt! Aside from the corruption the star fighter/player is always gonna get the benefit of a doubt and the star treatment. That goes for any sport. The star player gets the star treatment... Everyone knows this!
In boxing a fighter has to do more in order to get a decision against the star fighter. Boxer's know that but they fail to do so...
Is it right? No it's not.
Is it fair?? Of course not!
But that's boxing!

It is in boxing. You don't see that in baseball or basketball, football you cross that line and you get yourself a touchdown. And it is not because boxing is so "subjective" it is because the promoter pays the judges and referees. This have to be change. They are always looking to give the rounds to the house fighter, instead of judging. In my opinion it is not because he is the star, it is however the promoter fighter, and he or she is the one writing the check.

[garfios]

more so with Jacobs. When Lara fought Canelo, it was a big fight but he wasn't yet the biggest name in boxing. Now he is and Jacobs had been begging for the fight. Meanwhile he chose not to wake up until the 7th round.

Jacobs has always been an aggressive fighter. I haven't watch the fight but some people are claiming that he was a little bit too passive. I was surprised. Lara is a defensive genius that will respond when pressure. he will never go for the kill if he doesn't have to. he got trout out, and he just carried him until the end of the fight. He even said that he didn't like the look on trout's kids when he put him down. Look at what happened to Ugas. The guy completely out-boxed, out-landed and scored the hardest punches, and he loss!

[BigStomps]

It is in boxing. You don't see that in baseball or basketball, football you cross that line and you get yourself a touchdown. And it is not because boxing is so "subjective" it is because the promoter pays the judges and referees. This have to be change. They are always looking to give the rounds to the house fighter, instead of judging. In my opinion it is not because he is the star, it is however the promoter fighter, and he or she is the one writing the check.

IDK if you watch other sports besides boxing but star players do get star treatment in other sports.
Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant got star treatment all the time.
Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson got star treatment when they pitched.
And star receivers and star running backs get star treatment too.
So yes it happens in all sports.
But you're right, promoters are the ones paying the referee and judge's and that has to change.
But it's not only Canelo and Oscar/Golden Boy promotions getting star treatment. I've seen Pacquiao get the star treatment. I've seen Floyd get the star treatment.
Hell we even saw Wilder get the star treatment against Fury and Wilder is far from a star!
But until the process is changed on how the referee and judge's are paid things are gonna stay the same and boxing will keep being corrupt...

[killakali]

Yesterday I was trippin" on Cunningham (Lubin's Trainer) for calling out Trout, and not Lara! Today I'm trippin" on Lara for fighting Canelo's brother! This better not be a headliner!

PBC, you owe us for this! Castano vs. Soro II. Put it on!

that fight is heading to France fam. Haymon forgot to win the purse bid or doesn’t care to win it