Devin Haney

[Boxing_1013]

This right here is exactly what I'm saying. People are raft jumping based on good looking performances against lesser competition.

Nothing wrong with becoming a fan but don't bash these guys then all of a sudden become a fan and pretend like you was always a fan. This happens A LOT on this Forum

Lol I have never even seen people really talk about Haney much on this forum. If he has ever gotten any negative feedback that I've seen it is from people responding to some of his fans who said he could beat Loma right now.

I saw someone a few months ago say Haney could beat Loma and that Loma would beat Lopez. And I feel Lopez is more of a threat to Loma because of his size and I made that comment to the guy. Also pointed out that Lopez smoked Menard and Haney was on the back foot all night against Menard.

Unlike 95% of the people on here I let what fighters do in the ring dictate my opinion of them - Haney looked good to me last night and stopped a guy that Pedraza couldn't and apparently had a close fight with. And that fight was at 135 which is Pedraza's best weight imo.

Saying it is bad for anyone to change their mind on a fighter depending on what they do in the ring is one of the dumbest things I've heard on here and that is saying something.

The biggest issue BAR NONE on this site is the tribalism that exists with 95% of the posters. People give their tribal opinion about a fighter and try to make it out to be a fact, when if the roles were reversed they would completely change their mind.

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Saying it is bad for anyone to change their mind on a fighter depending on what they do in the ring is one of the dumbest things I've heard on here and that is saying something.

The biggest issue BAR NONE on this site is the tribalism that exists with 95% of the posters. People give their tribal opinion about a fighter and try to make it out to be a fact, when if the roles were reversed they would completely change their mind.

Hey I'm just chiming in because it's an interesting social-media fandom subject, and any expressed opinion I'm about to share is NOT directed toward anyone specific.

So by "tribal opinion" I assume you mean, having a biased opinion based on anything other than objective performance, be it geographical location, generational, race, nationality, etc. ?

I haven't been on this forum long, but that type of commentary is not surprising because it's not just limited to boxing. It's common to just about everything posted on social media, but SPORTS in particular. It can certainly be very frustrating when people insist upon arguing an OPINION as FACT or just don't know the difference. We often allow pride to cloud our vision when humility is the true path to enlightenment. We can take ourselves and our fandom too seriously.

The crazy thing is it's really not that heavy and should be perfectly acceptable to disagree, have various opinions, or even root "tribally", without so much accusation, injury, profaneness, and offense that takes place. I mean I suppose a civil debate is fine, but it's also okay to be admittedly biased. I sometimes wish people would just admit that they are unable to be objective, for whatever reason. But you know, we humans want to be RIGHT, and regardless if we know it or not, can react emotionally.
I see this a whole lot when talking basketball and even more specifically, when discussing LeBron James in the NBA. Tribal can be like, are you in this camp or in that camp? Depending on what camp you are in, all your opinions will be filtered through that camp's beliefs (not necessarily facts).

Objectivity is the key. Let's face it. A large portion of today's generation could care less about objectivity, and just want to "sound off" or talk trash. It's always so refreshing to find someone who simply wants to 'talk basketball' or 'talk boxing', without the biased or irrational subtext. Not to say there's not a place for that, but let's call it what it is, when it's happening.

I believe the anonymous nature of forums and the internet can often allow for a marginal version of our best self, and that's why we sometimes witness so much disenchantment, shortsightedness, discord, and unwillingness to seek common ground. We lean toward negative conclusions and initiate less than virtuous assumptions.

We should also keep in mind that full, intended translations can be lost via texting or messaging. That's another reason to give someone the benefit of doubt, be slow to judge, and keep it light. By not taking ourselves too seriously, we can be less troubled by the "phonies", the "casuals", "pretenders", or any other label that our pride or ego wants to project onto others. There's always an alternative outlook we're not acknowledging and a little bit of grace goes a long way.

That being said, in a positive light, though I have not been around this forum too long, I personally find that the majority of folks posting here are highly informed and much more than "casual" boxing fans. Despite conflicting opinions, bias, and tribalism approaches, most of these guys genuinely love boxing and follow the game closely. Though the "human condition" can be confrontational at times, I appreciate how informed you all are and I view that as a helpful and respected resource. I've no desire to prove anyone right or wrong, as I've learned that's a futile, unpleasant practice. If your numbers are accurate, I'd say I'm in the 5% that you indirectly referred to, if you can't tell. I intend to keep it real, keep it light, and endorse objectivity, cuz that usually tends to work best for me. Peace.

[Boxing_1013]

Hey I'm just chiming in because it's an interesting social-media fandom subject, and any expressed opinion I'm about to share is NOT directed toward anyone specific.

So by "tribal opinion" I assume you mean, having a biased opinion based on anything other than objective performance, be it geographical location, generational, race, nationality, etc. ?

I haven't been on this forum long, but that type of commentary is not surprising because it's not just limited to boxing. It's common to just about everything posted on social media, but SPORTS in particular. It can certainly be very frustrating when people insist upon arguing an OPINION as FACT or just don't know the difference. We often allow pride to cloud our vision when humility is the true path to enlightenment. We can take ourselves and our fandom too seriously.

The crazy thing is it's really not that heavy and should be perfectly acceptable to disagree, have various opinions, or even root "tribally", without so much accusation, injury, profaneness, and offense that takes place. I mean I suppose a civil debate is fine, but it's also okay to be admittedly biased. I sometimes wish people would just admit that they are unable to be objective, for whatever reason. But you know, we humans want to be RIGHT, and regardless if we know it or not, can react emotionally.
I see this a whole lot when talking basketball and even more specifically, when discussing LeBron James in the NBA. Tribal can be like, are you in this camp or that camp? Depending on what camp you are in, all your opinions will be based on that.

Objectivity is the key. Let's face it. A large portion of today's generation could care less about objectivity, and just want to "sound off" or talk trash. It's always so refreshing to find someone who simply wants to 'talk basketball' or 'talk boxing', without the biased or irrational subtext. Not to say there's not a place for that, but let's call it what it is, when it's happening.

I believe the anonymous nature of forums and the internet can often allow for a marginal version of our best self, and that's why we sometimes witness so much disenchantment, shortsightedness, discord, and unwillingness to seek common ground. We lean toward negative conclusions and initiate less than virtuous assumptions.

We should also keep in mind that full, intended translations can be lost via texting or messaging. That's another reason to give someone the benefit of doubt, be slow to judge, and keep it light. By not taking ourselves too seriously, we can be less troubled by the "phonies", the "casuals", "pretenders", or any other label that our pride or ego wants to project onto others. There's always an alternative outlook we're not acknowledging and a little bit of grace goes a long way.

That being said, in a positive light, though I have not been around this forum too long, I personally find that the majority of folks posting here are highly informed and much more than "casual" boxing fans. Despite conflicting opinions, bias, and tribalism approaches, most of these guys genuinely love boxing and follow the game closely. Though the "human condition" can be confrontational at times, I appreciate how informed you all are and I view that as a helpful and respected resource. I've no desire to prove anyone right or wrong, as I've learned that's a futile, unpleasant practice. If your numbers are accurate, I'd say I'm in the 5% that you indirectly referred to, if you can't tell. I intend to keep it real, keep it light, and endorse objectivity, cuz that usually tends to work best for me. Peace.

Thanks man - great post, and a lot of good wisdom in there.