If Pacquiao beats Thurman he has to rank over Floyd historically

[travestyny]

Whoever doesn't think Pac is the best of era hasn't thought about it realistically and fair enough.
It's what you do out of prime also. Pac is 40 fighting a great prime natural ww. No CW, or fighting green opponents whilst they're drained nonsense.
Floyd was hard to hit and even not taking.much.punishment and having only 49 fights couldn't extend his career.
Pac is the best of era. There isn't much doubt really. Whether Floyd is no2 or no3 is more debatable and realistic.

Do you acknowledge that most analysts, professional boxers, boxing coaches, boxing scribes, etc. disagree with what you are saying is no doubt true?

There seems to be a disconnect between you and people who know shlt about boxing. This might be a "take a long look at myself in the mirror" moment, bro. Take heed!

[hugh grant]

Do you acknowledge that most analysts, professional boxers, boxing coaches, boxing scribes, etc. disagree with what you are saying is no doubt true?
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No, I don't acknowledge who analysts, most pro boxers, boxing coaches, boxing scribes think. Because i m not aware of who these group of people think is greatest.
If your implying more support Floyd I will take your word for it. But I would imagine it's bias in someway or other. Or rather the few lists I've read where Floyd is rated higher are biased. Or the pro boxers who say Floyd is the best boxer they are saying Floyd is most skilled, but not necessarily the greater resume and achievements. They are 2 separate things and Floyd fans confusing the 2. Jmm said Pac was greatest of era. He can distinguish what it means. Floyd fans refuse to differentiate the 2.

Do you acknowledge workdwide, boxing fans see Pac as the greatest of era.
Boxing fans opinions is what counts. Without fans boxing is nothing.

[Bravado]

I already rank him over Floyd all time. Pac has one of the best resume's ever

So wouldn't Floyd beating Pacquiao and having his name on his record, make him clearly better than Manny?

[BIG GUNZ]

The only way Manny passes Floyd at this point realistically is if he beats Thurman, Porter or Garcia & Spence or Crawford. That would be too much of an amazing accomplishment at 40+ years old.

[travestyny]

No, I don't acknowledge who analysts, most pro boxers, boxing coaches, boxing scribes think. Because i m not aware of who these group of people think is greatest.
If your implying more support Floyd I will take your word for it. But I would imagine it's bias in someway or other. Or rather the few lists I've read where Floyd is rated higher are biased. Or the pro boxers who say Floyd is the best boxer they are saying Floyd is most skilled, but not necessarily the greater resume and achievements. They are 2 separate things and Floyd fans confusing the 2. Jmm said Pac was greatest of era. He can distinguish what it means. Floyd fans refuse to differentiate the 2.

Do you acknowledge workdwide, boxing fans see Pac as the greatest of era.
Boxing fans opinions is what counts. Without fans boxing is nothing.

I've never seen any poll of boxing fans all over the world about who was greater. I've certainly never been asked to vote in it, so you might need to help me out with that information and then we can discuss the reasons for it.

The obvious being that fans are.....fans. Isn't that short for fanatic? Something like that. And why would asking a fan of a boxer to be objective ever be a good idea? I know you know what you just said was ridiculous, so hopefully we don't have to pretend it makes sense.

What basis would you have for saying that, for instance, the recent ESPN top 25 of the past 25 years lb for lb list should be dismissed based on bias.....(and yet, you are saying what matters are the opinions of international fans).


Just stop it. You know no shame.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Losses COUNT. Floyd absolutely SCHOOLED Marquez, the dude who completely outboxed and brutally KO'ed your hero.

Mayweather has the better resume. Period, end of...

so you brought up 1 guy? do you realized that manny fought that guy 4 times and it was in the 4th fight where marquez got the ko right? you do understand that if pac never gave marquez that manny chances, then there wouldnt be that ko right? lol!!!

hatton, oscar and cotto. pac completely destroyed them while it took floyd 12 rds for cotto and oscar lol. like i said, you fvvcked up the moment you brought up resume to compare lol..

[IceTrayDaGang]

But think about it this way. Who does Pacquiao have on his resume that is better than....Pacquiao?

lol. It's kinda trippy isn't it?


Hope you're all good, bro.

but if you wanna play it that way then when floyd beat pac, pac already got ko'd dead and came back alive lol. so going by yall logic about how thurman looked bad in his previous fight so manny shouldnt get any credit. floyd shouldnt either. i mean, if that's how yall wanna play .

[travestyny]

but if you wanna play it that way then when floyd beat pac, pac already got ko'd dead and came back alive lol. so going by yall logic about how thurman looked bad in his previous fight so manny shouldnt get any credit. floyd shouldnt either. i mean, if that's how yall wanna play .

Manny should get credit if he beats Thurman. Why shouldn't he?

Whether that means he's ranked higher than Floyd is something different. I don't think Thurman does it for me. I already made a thread about this. What put me on the fence about whether he could pass Floyd was if he beat Spence or Crawford. But don't get it Twisted, beating Thurman will surely win him some converts. I just wouldn't be one of them. He'd need more to pass Floyd.

[QueensburyRules]

I've never seen any poll of boxing fans all over the world about who was greater. I've certainly never been asked to vote in it, so you might need to help me out with that information and then we can discuss the reasons for it.

The obvious being that fans are.....fans. Isn't that short for fanatic? Something like that. And why would asking a fan of a boxer to be objective ever be a good idea? I know you know what you just said was ridiculous, so hopefully we don't have to pretend it makes sense.

What basis would you have for saying that, for instance, the recent ESPN top 25 of the past 25 years lb for lb list should be dismissed based on bias.....(and yet, you are saying what matters are the opinions of international fans).


Just stop it. You know no shame.

- -You aptly reference dumb enough to tar yer miserable carcass.

The largest international boxing poll ever conducted was done 10 years ago with a toll free 800 # where the p4p results were SRRobinson #1, PAC #2, and Ali #3.

Fact is PAC fought, beat, and KOed more Ring ranked p4pers in history, but of course you being in diapers can be excused from yer squallin' because we know you need changing.

[hugh grant]

I've never seen any poll of boxing fans all over the world about who was greater. I've certainly never been asked to vote in it, so you might need to help me out with that information and then we can discuss the reasons for it.

The obvious being that fans are.....fans. Isn't that short for fanatic? Something like that. And why would asking a fan of a boxer to be objective ever be a good idea? I know you know what you just said was ridiculous, so hopefully we don't have to pretend it makes sense.

What basis would you have for saying that, for instance, the recent ESPN top 25 of the past 25 years lb for lb list should be dismissed based on bias.....(and yet, you are saying what matters are the opinions of international fans).


Just stop it. You know no shame.e

Interesting first thing you mention is ESPN, that's an American network isn't it?. Didn't I mention bias?
I've see n quite a few online polls on boxing forums and if I remember correctly Pac is maybe not without exception more favoured. But I can't recall any polls offhand where Floyd is favoured over pac.