Comments Thread For: Photos: Jermell Charlo, Tony Harrison - Tense Face To Face in LA

[robbyheartbaby]

Punk G punked out against Jermall for a shot at the title so it has everything to do with him.

i don't like Golovkin's next fight either dude it sucks. But i don't see Jermall anywhere since he got his a** beat up by Korobov. Golovkin is coming off two wars against the king of the division you can't deny that. G ain't ducking nobody but his next fight is pure trash.

[Balloonknot]

Charlo invincibility been exposed by danny jacobs, harrison just followed through

[j.razor]

i don't like Golovkin's next fight either dude it sucks. But i don't see Jermall anywhere since he got his a** beat up by Korobov. Golovkin is coming off two wars against the king of the division you can't deny that. G ain't ducking nobody but his next fight is pure trash.

If the wbc told Punk G to fight Mall to get an immediate rematch with Nelo then WHY did he NOT do it? Cuz they KNOW he can't beat Mall. Its not hard to figure out. korobov got beat up by Mall, just cuz korobov did good the 1st 4 rounds then got beat to the punch there on out plus got hurt in the 12th running for dear life doesn't mean korobov won....LMMFAO!

[Fire4231]

You can disagree all you want but you can't deny the evidence.

Jermall for example. His sparring partner is freaking Erislandy Lara, one of the slickest and most skilled southpaws in the game.

But he goes and struggles so badly against Trout and Koborov.

Isn't that proof of low IQ? Why can't he break down slick southpaws when his main sparring partner and stablemate is one of the slickest and most skilled in the world?

What is he doing in training?

Same with Jermell. He has a training camp sparing with Spence full time and he can't break down and destroy Trout? Is his mind not absorbing anything?

This aint hate, I acknowledge that the Charlos are super talented, I wouldn't acknowledge that if I was hating. In fact, the Charlos are two of my favorite fighters, I actually ride with Jermell at 154, he's my guy there, at 160 Jermall is my favorite middleweight.

I'm a fan of the Charlos, but I'm not a fanboy. Fanboys defend their fighters no matter what, fans support their fighters but accept the truth when it's right in front of their eyes.

The talent is there, they are SUPREMELY talented physically, but man come on, these guys aint using those talents smartly at all. That is just a fact at this point.

Lol... Yep, still disagree don’t correct another man’s post if you don’t know sh@t about boxing.

You act like he lost those fights? Matter fact Korobov is strong and Trout gave Canelo and Hurd hell and beat Cotto. You sound silly.

And the difference is the Charlo’s are at least fighting live bodies. Is GGG low IQ smart guy? He is at the end of his career and seems to struggle with anyone with legs? The assessment of the Charlos career will be based on how these challenges are addressed. We just need folks like GGG to actually fight someone above a ranking of 39...

Hear this bro, you will not speculate their value mid career as you will not speculate success that fighters like GGG have not shown. The fact the matter is they have shown brilliance against top competition like a Williams who just became the man at 154. This shows the skills are there.

It is possible both twins struggled fighting at home tying to impress. But I am not going to devalue the competition either. Either way we need to see them apply them consistently and they have time to do so.

Does GGG have time mid 30’s to become a boxer puncher. The education is always free bro. Please write back.

[Sledgeweather17]

Lol... Yep, still disagree don’t correct another man’s post if you don’t know sh@t about boxing.

You act like he lost those fights? Matter fact Korobov is strong and Trout gave Canelo and Hurd hell and beat Cotto. You sound silly.

And the difference is the Charlo’s are at least fighting live bodies. Is GGG low IQ smart guy? He is at the end of his career and seems to struggle with anyone with legs? The assessment of the Charlos career will be based on how these challenges are addressed. We just need folks like GGG to actually fight someone above a ranking of 39...

Hear this bro, you will not speculate their value mid career as you will not speculate success that fighters like GGG have not shown. The fact the matter is they have shown brilliance against top competition like a Williams who just became the man at 154. This shows the skills are there.

It is possible both twins struggled fighting at home tying to impress. But I am not going to devalue the competition either. Either way we need to see them apply them consistently and they have time to do so.

Does GGG have time mid 30’s to become a boxer puncher. The education is always free bro. Please write back.

You have typical fanboyism tendencies.

First of all, you have an excuse for everything, and secondly, you keep bringing up GGG when GGG has nothing to do with this.

But I'll entertain you for a second.

First of all, GGG is what he is, a good but beatable fighter. He fought bums for years so no one really knew how good he was. He had all sorts of excuses but proved himself to be everything that he said he wasn't, a ducker and a businessman.

I don't think GGG has low IQ, I just think he has physical limitations. His problem is the opposite of the Charlos. The Charlos are physically/ahletically gifted but lack the IQ to maximise that potential. GGG, besides his power, is not physically/athletically gifted but uses his understanding of the fundamentals of the game to win fights or to be competetive.

I also think GGG doesn't like it to the body AT ALL. I saw him wince and back away every time Canelo and Jacobs landed a body shot or a combo of body shots, and then hesitate to engage. But when they landed headshots he would either continue going forward or re-engage almost immediately.

This however is a weakness I don't see the Charlos exploiting because they are predominantly head hunters.

I did however notice that GGG abandoned the body attack due to fear of being countered. If Mall could land counters like the one he landed on Jrock I could see him pulling the victory off.

Anyway Mall hasn't had problems with orthodox fighters, and GGG is not the type to clinch after he lands or to hit and run (although Canelo sort of made him fight like that, but that was more get hit and run than hit and run).

Mall and Mell have had problems with cagey slick southpaws. Everyone has problems with those, BUT, given that their sparring partners are Spence and Lara, I feel like they should have an advantage over those kind of fighters instead of struggling with em like everyone else.

The reason I say Mell has low IQ is that he didn't learn anything from the Trout fight going into the Harrison fight.

Yes, Harrison is not a southpaw but he's cagey, slick, and he's sort of a spoiler. He should have learnt from the trout fight that guys like that aren't one punch KO'd, they are broken down with volume and punch variety, and then KO'd. They too defensive minded and slick to be done in like that.

But Mell went and did the exact same thing he did with Trout, and ended up in a close robbery as a result.

Also, Harrison's stamina issues are well documented. When you fight a guy like that, you carry him fast and you work the body consistently.

Mell did not of those things.

Again I repeat, the Charlos are SUPREMELY physically talented, they have amazing athleticism and physique, but their boxing IQ leaves a lot to be desired.

[Fire4231]

You have typical fanboyism tendencies.

First of all, you have an excuse for everything, and secondly, you keep bringing up GGG when GGG has nothing to do with this.

But I'll entertain you for a second.

First of all, GGG is what he is, a good but beatable fighter. He fought bums for years so no one really knew how good he was. He had all sorts of excuses but proved himself to be everything that he said he wasn't, a ducker and a businessman.

I don't think GGG has low IQ, I just think he has physical limitations. His problem is the opposite of the Charlos. The Charlos are physically/ahletically gifted but lack the IQ to maximise that potential. GGG, besides his power, is not physically/athletically gifted but uses his understanding of the fundamentals of the game to win fights or to be competetive.

I also think GGG doesn't like it to the body AT ALL. I saw him wince and back away every time Canelo and Jacobs landed a body shot or a combo of body shots, and then hesitate to engage. But when they landed headshots he would either continue going forward or re-engage almost immediately.

This however is a weakness I don't see the Charlos exploiting because they are predominantly head hunters.

I did however notice that GGG abandoned the body attack due to fear of being countered. If Mall could land counters like the one he landed on Jrock I could see him pulling the victory off.

Anyway Mall hasn't had problems with orthodox fighters, and GGG is not the type to clinch after he lands or to hit and run (although Canelo sort of made him fight like that, but that was more get hit and run than hit and run).

Mall and Mell have had problems with cagey slick southpaws. Everyone has problems with those, BUT, given that their sparring partners are Spence and Lara, I feel like they should have an advantage over those kind of fighters instead of struggling with em like everyone else.

The reason I say Mell has low IQ is that he didn't learn anything from the Trout fight going into the Harrison fight.

Yes, Harrison is not a southpaw but he's cagey, slick, and he's sort of a spoiler. He should have learnt from the trout fight that guys like that aren't one punch KO'd, they are broken down with volume and punch variety, and then KO'd. They too defensive minded and slick to be done in like that.

But Mell went and did the exact same thing he did with Trout, and ended up in a close robbery as a result.

Also, Harrison's stamina issues are well documented. When you fight a guy like that, you carry him fast and you work the body consistently.

Mell did not of those things.

Again I repeat, the Charlos are SUPREMELY physically talented, they have amazing athleticism and physique, but their boxing IQ leaves a lot to be desired.

We are closer to agreement. This is actually a thoughtful post.

Four points...

First sparring Lara may not be a benefit. Why... because Lara is not going to be outslicked. He forces you to fight like a brute because these are the fighters he has the most trouble with. If you let him relax he will pot shot and move all day. That actually may be encouraging the wrong behaviors in sparring partners who actually need to be much slicker.

Next...Jermall has never seemed as technically strong and I am surprised GGG hasn’t taken him up on this? GGG doesn’t have fast feet but Jermall is not going to box him because he is in love with his own power. He would like fight the wrong fight. So the fight still favors GGG. No way Jermall gets a debatable decision over media darling GGG.

In addition, I simply do not believe Jermell lost the fight to Harrison. He didn’t get outslicked and was dominant enough. That was bad judging. He should win the rematch.

Lastly, you know a fan boy when they don’t want to see the fights. I am from the let’s see it generation. I may be a crusader for removing bias in boxing, but you can’t name a great matchup that I wouldn’t want to see immediately. I am just not going to allow this petty reduction lense to hover over certain fighters, while others get magnified by 100. This has been happening all the way back to the great Jack Johnson. It’s 2019 if fighters are being kept in the safe zone, we have to assume it’s because they don’t believe the can compete. No more of this fictitious high risk low reward mumbo jumbo. Competitive fights are big fights. Once the fans understand this make them happen.

[Fangedgrowl]

I think they intimidate you....LMMFAO!

Really. Funny how they talk all this stuff with their big entourage around, yet. Jacobs straight checked your boy Jermall and he sounded like a church mouse.The only one talking as some little 135 pound light skinned dude who was strtegicaaly behind the security as usual. The other one Jermell tried to check Broner and Tank when they were both Drunk. Please. Typical loser behavior. Hop e Harrison embarrasses this hot head again. Then what can you say. ***** GGGG that is all you say. Tell Jermall to quit fighting Brandon Adams for Jeez sakes. Havent heard a word about that yet. They need to worry more about improving than trying to be Lions only! Oh please win your next fights scrubs. !!!

[j.razor]

Really. Funny how they talk all this stuff with their big entourage around, yet. Jacobs straight checked your boy Jermall and he sounded like a church mouse.The only one talking as some little 135 pound light skinned dude who was strtegicaaly behind the security as usual. The other one Jermell tried to check Broner and Tank when they were both Drunk. Please. Typical loser behavior. Hop e Harrison embarrasses this hot head again. Then what can you say. ***** GGGG that is all you say. Tell Jermall to quit fighting Brandon Adams for Jeez sakes. Havent heard a word about that yet. They need to worry more about improving than trying to be Lions only! Oh please win your next fights scrubs. !!!

Funny how you ignore the fact that Mall told Jacobs to make the fight & Jacobs changed the subject to "M's" And the only reason he's fighting Adams is cuz pvssy g is too shook to fight him so Mall & his team had to snatch that away from pvssy g & now that Punk G is fighting a guy who never even fought a 12 round fight....LMMFAO!

[Sledgeweather17]

We are closer to agreement. This is actually a thoughtful post.

Four points...

First sparring Lara may not be a benefit. Why... because Lara is not going to be outslicked. He forces you to fight like a brute because these are the fighters he has the most trouble with. If you let him relax he will pot shot and move all day. That actually may be encouraging the wrong behaviors in sparring partners who actually need to be much slicker.

Next...Jermall has never seemed as technically strong and I am surprised GGG hasn’t taken him up on this? GGG doesn’t have fast feet but Jermall is not going to box him because he is in love with his own power. He would like fight the wrong fight. So the fight still favors GGG. No way Jermall gets a debatable decision over media darling GGG.

In addition, I simply do not believe Jermell lost the fight to Harrison. He didn’t get outslicked and was dominant enough. That was bad judging. He should win the rematch.

Lastly, you know a fan boy when they don’t want to see the fights. I am from the let’s see it generation. I may be a crusader for removing bias in boxing, but you can’t name a great matchup that I wouldn’t want to see immediately. I am just not going to allow this petty reduction lense to hover over certain fighters, while others get magnified by 100. This has been happening all the way back to the great Jack Johnson. It’s 2019 if fighters are being kept in the safe zone, we have to assume it’s because they don’t believe the can compete. No more of this fictitious high risk low reward mumbo jumbo. Competitive fights are big fights. Once the fans understand this make them happen.

First of all, I agree with you about letting fights play out and see what happens. I like that, it means you are a fan of boxing first and individual fighters second, which is a good thing in my eyes.

I don't get the point you're trying to make about Lara and Jermall. You seem to be implying that sparring with Lara is detrimental to Mall in terms of fighting similar styled fighters.

That, to me, doesn't make sense at all. If you sparring the slickest southpaw fighter ever day or every other day, then you should be a slick southpaw killer in the ring. It doesn't make sense for me to say that actually should be having the opporite effect.

You get a chance to study the style and find weaknesses in it every day, but somehow that makes you worse off?

Please clarify this to me.

[robbyheartbaby]

If the wbc told Punk G to fight Mall to get an immediate rematch with Nelo then WHY did he NOT do it? Cuz they KNOW he can't beat Mall. Its not hard to figure out. korobov got beat up by Mall, just cuz korobov did good the 1st 4 rounds then got beat to the punch there on out plus got hurt in the 12th running for dear life doesn't mean korobov won....LMMFAO!

The same reason Canelo dropped the belt instead of fighting GGG for the WBC title the first time it was mandated. These fighters won't have their careers dictated by corrupt sanctioning bodies. I'm not against the Charlo brothers dude I just want to see something.