Remember when Mayweather said triple G would be "easy work"

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  • Damn Wicked
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    #11
    It would have been easy work for Golovkin. Floyd had difficulties with little Maidana. Golovkin wouldn't need to pay much respect to Floyd's punching power. Canelo's power demanded respect from Golovkin, so Golovkin couldn't simply barge in offensively...he had to be cautious. If Castillo and Maidana gave Mayweather fits and fought him on even terms, Golovkin would hunt him and hurt him badly. Mayweather was a guy who relied on keeping his opponents honest with hard pot shots. That wouldn't deter GGG. Golovkin also has the reach, height and specifically the JAB that no other Mayweather opponent possessed even remotely similarly. You Mayweather fans are delusional.

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    • Damn Wicked
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      #12
      Originally posted by daggum
      floyd makes johnathon banks throw in the towel! if floyd went toe to toe with prime baldomir then ggg would have no chance
      Agreed. Baldomir is one of the best fighters ever. His athleticism was a thing of beauty. Really smart and powerful fighter too.

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      • HitmanTommy
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        #13
        Originally posted by Damn Wicked
        Agreed. Baldomir is one of the best fighters ever. His athleticism was a thing of beauty. Really smart and powerful fighter too.
        It was a boring ass fight.

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        • pillowfists98
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          #14
          Of course. Floyd beat Canelo, and Canelo beat GGG so therefore Floyd beats GGG. The triangle theory never lies!!

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          • Jubei
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            #15
            Mayweather fought Canelo but never had the balls to face GGG.

            Thats all you need to know.

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              #16
              Originally posted by omh
              Style wise it would be easy work for him with the defence but ggg's durability and power and size over him make him very dangerous in the later rounds if you start to slow down and don't have the offense to make him weary of counters ggg doesn't have a margarito type mental toughness to just eat every thing you throw at him and keep going forward he switches to spamming jabs at you
              He couldn't even overpower and walk through Canelo which Mayweather did

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              • Boxing Logic
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                #17
                This is how biased some boxing fans are. Peak Floyd (yes he was 36, but he wasnt drug tested. Dont ask me how he maintained his peak longer than GGG... maybe the lack of altitude training? But he did) performing well vs young, drained, 152 pound Canelo is then used in a cross-comparison with old, slow, past prime, (altitude sick?) GGG struggling vs prime, 160 pound Canelo to make Floyd look otherwordly and make GGG look like a hypejob.

                Would old slow GGG at 152 pounds be easy work for prime Floyd? Uh, yes. ***** yes. It would probably look like a higher level, but equally one-sided, version of Canelo vs Chavez Jr. But that's as far as you can go. Prime Floyd vs prime GGG at 160? I mean, Floyd could have made like 200 million dollars, and put himself on Mt Rushmore of Boxing, by doing that fight. GGG was even willing to come down to 154. Floyd passed on both those options. What does that tell you?

                How do I think it would go at 160, prime for prime? Even old GGG walked through Kell Brook, who is bigger than Floyd. If GGG tried to box him, he'd have some trouble early, but the jab, punch output, body punching, and strength would take over. If GGG went full pressure, it might look like the Brook fight, except prime GGG would be better, and Floyd would be better than Brook, so it would be a higher level, sharper version of that fight, but leading to the same outcome.

                Who did Floyd ever fight, even at 147 or below, who averaged 80+ punches per round? That's a big reason people wanted to see him vs prime Pacquiao as well, but he didn't take that fight either, probably in part for that same reason. Let alone, who did he fight who threw 80 punches per round but also had an elite power jab, and was a great fundamental fighter?

                Marcos Maidana gave Floyd big issues at 147. Castillo did the same at 135. Prime GGG was a far more technical version of those fighters who did it behind the most active, best power jab in the sport, and constantly mixed up his trajectory of attack from body to head, straight punches to going around the guard, short then long. He would have been the most skilled boxer Floyd ever fought along with Oscar De La Hoya, except prime GGG obviously would have been in his prime, unlike Oscar, and much bigger, more powerful, with a far better punch output and motor at that age. To think Floyd would have won that fight at 160 flies in the face of all the evidence we have.
                Last edited by Boxing Logic; 05-06-2019, 03:27 PM.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by HitmanTommy
                  He was asked about triple G and he just shrugged and said he'd be easy work. Was he telling the truth?
                  No he wasn’t. It was his way of avoiding the fight. If it was easy work then he would have taken the fight because that fight would have made him an easy $150 milli.
                  Reality is there was a real threat that with one punch the much bigger Golovkin could have put floydie to sleep and ended his unbeaten streak so Floyd passed on the fight. Floyd never challenged himself post de la Hoya fight

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                  • Boxing Logic
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by sbbigmike
                    He couldn't even overpower and walk through Canelo which Mayweather did
                    How dumb are you? Comparing 152 pound Canelo vs prime Floyd to 160 Canelo vs past prime GGG. And yes I know the ages of Floyd and GGG, it doesn't matter. One was drug tested year round, one wasn't. One had a style that declined quickly, one didn't. One trained in altitude with some would say a bad trainer, one trained in Vegas close to sea level with a great team.

                    If you want to ignore age though, we can have some fun with that if you want.

                    Kovalev is a better all time great light heavyweight than Bernard Hopkins. Way better, 12-0 better. Going by your logic, Kovalev is also a way better ATG than Roy Jones, because Roy Jones could not push BHop back and dominate him like Kovalev did.

                    Joe Smith Jr is the greatest light heavyweight of all time except for Dmitry Bivol and Sullivan Barrera who beat him.

                    Holmes and Berbick are both better ATG heavyweights than Ali.

                    Since weight doesn't matter to you either, along with age, Dennis Lebedev is a better ATG than Roy Jones as well, and obviously so is Calzaghe, but not as much as the best of them all, Antonio Tarver.

                    Getting the picture yet? Stop being a biased Floyd fan, or GGG hater, whichever it is. GGG-Canelo has no bearing on Floyd-Canelo. It's not an apples to apples comparison. If you've paid attention to the rest of the middleweight landscape, these are not top fighters right now. GGG has simply fallen down to their level. Sulecki, Rosado, Andrade, Culcay, Dereyvanchenko, Jacobs, these guys are all on the same level, the B-level. I hope we get to see Lemieux vs Jacobs at 168, I still think that could be a 50-50 fight. Sulecki almost beat Jacobs, and had him hurt too. Even past prime Rosado almost knocked out Sulecki. Culcay almost beat Andrade. Dereyvanchenko almost beat Jacobs as well. Vanes Martirosan almost beat Andrade as well. In GGG's prime, even when he had the flu, he completely dominated Rosado, as did Lemieux who GGG dominated as well. GGG dominated and stopped Martin Murray, who went 12 with Groves at 168.

                    Prime GGG stopped Curtis Stevens, who won a 10 round fight vs Darnell Boone, who beat Stevenson, some say beat Kovalev (the fight footage is deleted), and IMO beat Ward in a 6 rounder too when Ward was coming up. Stevens beat him at 168, then looked better at 160, and GGG stopped Stevens.

                    Stevens also went 10 with Andre Dirrell, prime Dirrell, at 168. Dirrell who badly hurt Froch and was very good back then. Prime GGG stopped him.

                    Rubio went 10 rounds with Anthony Dirrell at 168, GGG stopped him in 2 rounds at 160 his best weight. Rubio also survived 12 with peak prime Chavez Jr, the one who stopped Andy Lee. GGG stopped him in 3 rounds. It took 9 rounds for prime Kelly Pavlik to stop Rubio. Prime GGG did it in 3 rounds. Rubio only lost by SD to Kassim Ouma after 12. GGG stopped him in 3 rounds.

                    Ishida lost a 12 round decision to Dmitry Pirog, who knocked out Jacobs. Prime GGG knocked him out in 3 rounds, yet old GGG barely beat Jacobs by decision. Even more evidence that the GGG that Brook, Jacobs, and Canelo fought is nowhere near prime GGG. Ishida also knocked out Kirkland in one round, and went 12 with Paul Williams at Williams best weight (154). Prime GGG stopped him in 3 rounds.

                    Kassim Ouma went 12 rounds with Jermain Taylor when Taylor was still undefeated. Prime GGG knocked him out.

                    Willie Monroe Jr went 12 rounds with Saunders, went the 8 round distance vs Darnell Boone, and beat Jermall Charlo's next opponent, Brandon Adams. GGG knocked him out in 6 rounds.

                    Old Gabriel Rosado went 10 rounds with Sulecki, who almost beat Jacobs, he went 10 rounds vs Jermell Charlo, would have gone 12 rounds vs Peter Quillin or knocked Quillin out late, and been the first man to beat Quillin, except for the doctor on the Haymon card stopping the fight on cuts despite Rosado's wishes to, IMO, protect Quillin's record. Instead, Quillin's first loss was given to Jacobs instead, just another way they messed with GGG's legacy because GGG stopped Rosado in 7 rounds.


                    Getting the picture yet? You guys talk **** about GGG's opposition in his prime, but you're too much casual fans to realize that the best middleweights today are not much better, if at all, than the guys prime GGG beat. It's just that GGG is 36 years old now, so he's finally come back to the pack. GGG is a B+ or A- level boxer now at best. Canelo is A- at middleweight (I can list the major flaws he still has if you wish, old GGG just lacked the speed and stamina at this stage to fully take advantage of them), GGG is B+ or A- at this stage, Jacobs is B+ at this stage, Andrade is B+ as shown by his lackluster performances vs Culcay and Martirosan, Charlo is B+ as we saw vs Korobov, Sulecki and Culcay are B+/B, old Rosado is B.

                    When GGG fought Lemieux, Lemieux was at least B+ just like Jacobs is now, there's even an argument for A- based on how he dominated prime Rosado, who was between B and B+ himself. When GGG fought Stevens and Murray, they were B/B+.

                    So prime GGG already dominated opponents just as good as Jacobs, Sulecki, Andrade, Jermall Charlo, Quillin, etc. Did you see how much Jermall Charlo got hit vs Korobov? Would you really have been confident about him going into a fight with peak David Lemieux? It just takes one from that dude. Styles and timing and weight make fights, which is why Lemieux looked like **** vs a big slick southpaw like BJS after Lemieux already couldn't make 160 healthy anymore, but that doesn't mean vs a more stationary, orthodox boxer like Charlo, Lemieux wouldn't do well. Two totally different fights.

                    The only middleweight right now who is a little better than anyone prime GGG fought is Canelo, but a little, not a lot. The point is that it's mostly GGG who has changed, not the quality of his opponents. It just looks like the middleweights GGG fights now are better now compared to the guys prime GGG fought because GGG has changed so much since then. He looks like he's punching underwater now. He looks like Hagler looked vs Mugabi, just worse. He looks like a shot fighter now in some respects, just with the pedigree, chin, and jab to still know how to hang in a fight despite that. But he's nowhere near his prime. If he was, these guys still wouldn't be fighting him. Notice they never called him out in his prime?

                    ALL of them started calling him out after the Brook fight exposed how past prime he was, something I'd already noticed, and gone on record about, before that fight. But for the casuals and the dumb trainers and managers out there, they apparently couldn't tell until the Brook fight. But after that, they wanted to fight him. Before that, no.
                    Last edited by Boxing Logic; 05-06-2019, 04:02 PM.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by boliodogs
                      Mayweather was asked by GGG to fight him at 154 but Mayweather refused.
                      You mean kinda like how Bumlovkin wanted no part of Andre Ward @ 168?

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