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That's just part of the problem on here imo...those fights have been talked about so much on here, that I've watched them a few times, and I can pretty much remember how they went. And my current opinion of the rounds is the same as it was when I first watched it, for the record. That general opinion goes for quite a few fights on here, not just GGG's (Loma-Linares, Kov-Ward, Fury Wilder, etc)
But if we're going to be on a boxing forum, discussing what happened in certain fights, I think it would do a lot of good for people to post their scores, rd by rd, if they are making a claim about a fight. Seems to be the best way to really have a good discussion about them, otherwise the conversation never really moves along.Comment
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I always give more credit (basically 1 full point) anytime a guy scores a big shot, and a jab is usually about half a point.
But man if a jab isn't a scoring punch, I mean what's the point of even scoring fights lol. Not to mention that a jab can potentially be a lot more effective, damage wise, than a 'power punch' which as you know is just anything other than a jab.
Kov for example wobbled Ward with a jab in the first round of their first fight, and that sealed up that round for him.
To all of a sudden stop scoring the jab, especially GGG's which I would think everyone would agree is not just a range finder but a real punch, I mean that's just wild to me.Comment
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Canelo won the 1st fight 7-5 or but a draw was fair,He CLEARLY won rds 1-3,9-12 & he surely deserved at least to have won 1-2 rds in between that were tossup close . 2nd fight Canelo had won the fight by no later than the 9th or 10th rd & I gave him rds 1-4,6,8,9,12th.Comment
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So you just admitted ggg lost because according to you jabs are only worth half(it should be more like worth 1/3rd or so),all ggg did was jab,he NEVER wound up his punches nor did he land anything besides top of the head jabs most the fight & was getting viciously countered non-stop with most of canelos punches landing crystal clearly in combos. (even sanchez told ggg he was losing & he told him to stop only landing to top of head grazing jabs,he told ggg between rds to "only throw 1 or 2 probing jabs at a time,not to throw combos"
Canelo schooled ggg in the rematch,ggg didn't hold the center of the ring at all,canelo bossed center of ring & ggg "RAN" 75% of the fight .GGG LOST CLEARLY in the rematch which is all that matters anyways when there is a rematch especially after a legit draw.Comment
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I just think it was pretty clear GGG won, and most people agree. So if I were in your shoes, when making a claim to the contrary I would personally want to have my ducks in a row and lay it out why I felt that way.
8 and 9 were pretty clear rounds for GGG though. As was number 12. So yeah if you want to watch the fight again and post your scores it may be interesting to have the discussion but otherwise don't see this going anywhere.Comment
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Please read my full quote, not just the first line. I score based on effectiveness. Sometimes a jab is a really good hard shot and deserves to be rewarded more than a basic punch. Sometimes a power punch is hardly powerful at all, and is maybe partially blocked etc, so it is not really valued highly:
"I always give more credit (basically 1 full point) anytime a guy scores a big shot, and a jab is usually about half a point.
But man if a jab isn't a scoring punch, I mean what's the point of even scoring fights lol. Not to mention that a jab can potentially be a lot more effective, damage wise, than a 'power punch' which as you know is just anything other than a jab.
Kov for example wobbled Ward with a jab in the first round of their first fight, and that sealed up that round for him.
To all of a sudden stop scoring the jab, especially GGG's which I would think everyone would agree is not just a range finder but a real punch, I mean that's just wild to me."
Besides round 5, which you actually gave to GGG (as did I; even though Canelo was forcing GGG on the back foot, GGG boxed really well this round and took it clearly) can you please point to some points in the fight where Canelo was backing GGG up?
I've seen that claimed many times, but other than round 5 I never saw Canelo forcing GGG on the back foot. And again that was only on the back foot, doing it very well, not running lol. So please point to some of these moments where Canelo had GGG running, I would love to see them and I will change my opinion.
GGG was pressing the action pretty much all of fight 2, Canelo definitely held the center of the ring better at times in fight 2, but GGG was still dominating the action round in and round out and Canelo was absolutely on the back foot in that fight more than GGG, and 'ran' some in that fight, whereas GGG never did that at any point in fight 2 lol. I just don't get the narratives people try and push on here.
Again I would attribute the narrative that GGG 'ran' to the fact that a lot of people are desperate for GGG to look bad and will push a lot of narratives (he lost, he ran etc) that aren't really backed up by the evidence, but because they are desperate to hate on him and there isn't much to hate on, they run with some pretty wild narratives.Comment
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I completely disagree with your scoring lol, but I appreciate you manning up and at least posting your scores.
You seem to give Canelo every close round in both fights, and say it was a clear round for him. You also give him a few clear GGG rounds.
For example in the 2nd fight, rounds 4 and 9 were clear GGG rounds.
But I appreciate you posting your scores, I can't possibly see how you can say some of those rounds are clear rounds, when he got outlanded in almost every one of them, and some of them he clearly lost. But at least you posted them.Comment
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