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  • Noelanthony
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    #61
    Originally posted by Eddy Current
    Yeah that's how I see it. Joshua's personality seems like a 2/10.
    It’s not a personality contest. I don’t tune in to watch his fights because I like his personality. What is your rating of Wilder’s personality? Now tell me your rating of Shirley Winkel’s? Is it that important?

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      #62
      Originally posted by Squ□redCircle34
      AJ should just embrace his bully past and show that side from now on!

      Ruiz won’t help sell the fight so AJ needs to!

      I’m sure people wanted a refund after Miller popped and Ortiz’s management team screwed up!
      How exactly will that help him sell the fight? He doesn’t need to say he wants a body on his record to sell tickets his purse is confirmed. He will behave like a honourable champion should. Slap yourself in the face for such a silly idea

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      • Bronx2245
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        #63
        Originally posted by Sid-Knee
        Because Hearn said he'd give him 40%. If Wilder was getting 40 Mill for the fight, AJ would have been getting 60 Mill.

        The excuse of "We need to know what AJ is getting" was just another ploy to get out of the fight and delay things further. If Skipper tells them it's 60 Mill for AJ they'll just scream that it has to be 50/50 even though Wilder is a nobody who doesn't even generate much revenue.
        First of all Hearn didn't say that in 2018! If you would've read the post that you jumped into, I said I referring to the "spit in the face" last year! Secondly, Hearn is not the measure of truth! Lastly, Skipper told Wilder what DAZN would give him, not what AJ was getting! This is the "spit in the face" I was talking about:

        The games being played and why it means Joshua-Wilder won't be next

        April 16, 2018:

        If Joshua (21-0, 20 KOs) wants the fight with Wilder (40-0, 39 KOs) next, it sure doesn't seem that way, regardless of what he says. It's clear in the offer Joshua's promoter, Matchroom Boxing's Eddie Hearn, recently made to the Wilder camp: a flat fee of $12.5 million, take it or leave it, for Wilder's participation in the fight.

        Of course, $12.5 million large is giant money for most people, but for a fight of this magnitude, it is not a serious offer. If Wilder's team -- managers Al Haymon, Shelly Finkel and Jay Deas and promoter Lou DiBella -- accepted the deal, they would be committing malpractice on behalf of their client.

        For Team Joshua to take Wilder as a $12.5 million expense without cutting him in for a large percentage of an event that could generate in the high eight figures is a joke. When Joshua faced Joseph Parker to unify their three belts last month, the Parker camp got one-third of the money in the event. Wilder is worth more than that, obviously; he brings the last piece of the undisputed title to the table, he brings a bigger fan base and, on his own, he generates more money than Parker does.

        If Parker is worth a third, Wilder is easily worth at least that much and probably even a few more points. His side has stated it knows it's not getting 50-50 and hasn't asked for it, but to be offered a flat fee is not a real offer. It's an offer meant for the Joshua team to be able to run around and say, "Hey, we made an offer, and Team Wilder turned it down." It's called playing games, and it's nothing new in boxing.

        http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...ean-fight-next

        What you are referring to, WHICH I WASN'T, is the offer from this year:

        Hearn offers Wilder and Fury 60-40 splits for Joshua fight

        Boxing News 24

        January 17, 2019:

        By Scott Gilfoid: Anthony Joshua’s wily promoter Eddie Hearn has revealed that he’s offered both Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury a 60-40 deal for them to face his franchise fighter Anthony Joshua on April 13 at Wembley Stadium in London, England, according to Talksport. The offer for WBC heavyweight champion Wilder (40-0-1, 39 KOs) an a considerable increase from the $15 million flat fee that Hearn offered to him to fight Joshua last September. However, the offer is still a galaxy away from the 50-50 deal that the 6’7″ Deontay is asking for in order to take a fight with Joshua.

        Hearn’s 60-40 offer to Wilder represents a slight increase of his recent 65-35 purse split offer, which had a guarantee of $15 million. That would be for the first fight. It would have been a great deal for Joshua either way, as he gets a huge split that is very close to the 67-33 that he enjoyed for his fight against former World Boxing Organization heavyweight champion Joseph Parker last March. Hearn’s 65-35 split that he offered to Wilder was basically him saying that he sees him as just barely deserving a little more money than what Parker got. That’s surprising. Joshua vs. Wilder is clearly a much bigger fight worldwide than Joshua vs. Parker. Hearn’s offer to Wilder of just 2 percentage points better than the 67-33 deal given to Parker shows how much Eddie estimates the value that ‘The Bronze Bomber’ brings to the table.

        The same goes for Fury. 60-40 is nowhere near the 50-50 split of the loot that Fury wants. Hearn says that the winner of the Wilder vs. Fury rematch can possibly get a 50-50 deal, depending on how well that fight does in terms of PPV numbers.

        The 60-40 offers Hearn has made to Wilder and Fury to accept a fight against Joshua on April 13 at Wembley Stadium are so far off from what those two talented heavyweights are asking for, it just seems painfully obvious that there’s no real interest on Eddie’s part in making those fights. That’s nowhere close to what Wilder and Fury asking for.

        Wilder’s 60-40 split for the April 13 fight against Joshua fight would lead to an even lower 70-30 split for the rematch in the United States. The lower split would be part of the deal for Wilder. If he loses the first fight against Joshua on April 13, then he would only get 30 percent of the revenue for the first fight. It’s a great deal for Joshua, because he gets the lion’s share of the loot against Wilder while fighting at home in the UK for the first fight, and then he can get 70 percent against Deontay in the rematch in the United States...

        https://www.************.com/2019/01...-joshua-fight/

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          #64
          Originally posted by Sid-Knee
          Because Hearn said he'd give him 40%. If Wilder was getting 40 Mill for the fight, AJ would have been getting 60 Mill.

          The excuse of "We need to know what AJ is getting" was just another ploy to get out of the fight and delay things further. If Skipper tells them it's 60 Mill for AJ they'll just scream that it has to be 50/50 even though Wilder is a nobody who doesn't even generate much revenue.
          Hearn willing to offer Wilder 50-50 for Joshua on PPV CONDITION

          Eddie Hearn has set Deontay Wilder a challenge in a bid to earn a 50-50 split of the Anthony Joshua proceeds.

          In response to Wilder stating he’d be looking for 60-40 if he comes through Tyson Fury on December 1, Hearn stated he wouldn’t go that high.

          A similar deal to that of Joseph Parker would be on the table for Wilder. Although the American could be offered more if the Fury fight is a success.

          “I saw Wilder came out and say he wants 60-40 if he beats Fury,” Hearn explained, according to The Daily Star.

          It frustrates me that people are actually thick enough to think he wants this fight when he comes out with comments like that.

          “At the moment I think a split of 65-35 in AJ’s favour is fair.

          “Nobody knows who Deontay Wilder is. But if his fight with Tyson Fury does a million buys plus then he can have 50-50.

          But if he does under 300,000 buys he should have taken 80-20,” he added.

          It’s arguable that Wilder would deserve 40% anyway with Fury’s name of his record. Hearn won’t go that far unless Wilder can prove his pulling power.

          https://www.***************.net/2018...er-joshua-ppv/

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            #65
            Originally posted by Noelanthony
            It’s not a personality contest. I don’t tune in to watch his fights because I like his personality. What is your rating of Wilder’s personality? Now tell me your rating of Shirley Winkel’s? Is it that important?

            Wilder's personality seems a lot more real than Joshua's.
            Sure Wilder has flaws, but at least he lays them all out there instead of trying to hide them like Joshua does.

            A Wilder interview is 100x as fun to watch as a Joshua one.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Eddy Current
              Wilder's personality seems a lot more real than Joshua's.
              Sure Wilder has flaws, but at least he lays them all out there instead of trying to hide them like Joshua does.

              A Wilder interview is 100x as fun to watch as a Joshua one.
              It’s fun because he’s the type of guy that you show your Mrs and say ...“ baby you are lucky to have me ,there are men in this world that think if they were to fight against a person submerged in Baby oil that they might just lose”

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                #67
                Originally posted by Bronx2245
                First of all Hearn didn't say that in 2018! If you would've read the post that you jumped into, I said I referring to the "spit in the face" last year! Secondly, Hearn is not the measure of truth! Lastly, Skipper told Wilder what DAZN would give him, not what AJ was getting! This is the "spit in the face" I was talking about:

                The games being played and why it means Joshua-Wilder won't be next

                April 16, 2018:

                If Joshua (21-0, 20 KOs) wants the fight with Wilder (40-0, 39 KOs) next, it sure doesn't seem that way, regardless of what he says. It's clear in the offer Joshua's promoter, Matchroom Boxing's Eddie Hearn, recently made to the Wilder camp: a flat fee of $12.5 million, take it or leave it, for Wilder's participation in the fight.

                Of course, $12.5 million large is giant money for most people, but for a fight of this magnitude, it is not a serious offer. If Wilder's team -- managers Al Haymon, Shelly Finkel and Jay Deas and promoter Lou DiBella -- accepted the deal, they would be committing malpractice on behalf of their client.

                For Team Joshua to take Wilder as a $12.5 million expense without cutting him in for a large percentage of an event that could generate in the high eight figures is a joke. When Joshua faced Joseph Parker to unify their three belts last month, the Parker camp got one-third of the money in the event. Wilder is worth more than that, obviously; he brings the last piece of the undisputed title to the table, he brings a bigger fan base and, on his own, he generates more money than Parker does.

                If Parker is worth a third, Wilder is easily worth at least that much and probably even a few more points. His side has stated it knows it's not getting 50-50 and hasn't asked for it, but to be offered a flat fee is not a real offer. It's an offer meant for the Joshua team to be able to run around and say, "Hey, we made an offer, and Team Wilder turned it down." It's called playing games, and it's nothing new in boxing.

                http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...ean-fight-next

                What you are referring to, WHICH I WASN'T, is the offer from this year:

                Hearn offers Wilder and Fury 60-40 splits for Joshua fight

                Boxing News 24

                January 17, 2019:

                By Scott Gilfoid: Anthony Joshua’s wily promoter Eddie Hearn has revealed that he’s offered both Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury a 60-40 deal for them to face his franchise fighter Anthony Joshua on April 13 at Wembley Stadium in London, England, according to Talksport. The offer for WBC heavyweight champion Wilder (40-0-1, 39 KOs) an a considerable increase from the $15 million flat fee that Hearn offered to him to fight Joshua last September. However, the offer is still a galaxy away from the 50-50 deal that the 6’7″ Deontay is asking for in order to take a fight with Joshua.

                Hearn’s 60-40 offer to Wilder represents a slight increase of his recent 65-35 purse split offer, which had a guarantee of $15 million. That would be for the first fight. It would have been a great deal for Joshua either way, as he gets a huge split that is very close to the 67-33 that he enjoyed for his fight against former World Boxing Organization heavyweight champion Joseph Parker last March. Hearn’s 65-35 split that he offered to Wilder was basically him saying that he sees him as just barely deserving a little more money than what Parker got. That’s surprising. Joshua vs. Wilder is clearly a much bigger fight worldwide than Joshua vs. Parker. Hearn’s offer to Wilder of just 2 percentage points better than the 67-33 deal given to Parker shows how much Eddie estimates the value that ‘The Bronze Bomber’ brings to the table.

                The same goes for Fury. 60-40 is nowhere near the 50-50 split of the loot that Fury wants. Hearn says that the winner of the Wilder vs. Fury rematch can possibly get a 50-50 deal, depending on how well that fight does in terms of PPV numbers.

                The 60-40 offers Hearn has made to Wilder and Fury to accept a fight against Joshua on April 13 at Wembley Stadium are so far off from what those two talented heavyweights are asking for, it just seems painfully obvious that there’s no real interest on Eddie’s part in making those fights. That’s nowhere close to what Wilder and Fury asking for.

                Wilder’s 60-40 split for the April 13 fight against Joshua fight would lead to an even lower 70-30 split for the rematch in the United States. The lower split would be part of the deal for Wilder. If he loses the first fight against Joshua on April 13, then he would only get 30 percent of the revenue for the first fight. It’s a great deal for Joshua, because he gets the lion’s share of the loot against Wilder while fighting at home in the UK for the first fight, and then he can get 70 percent against Deontay in the rematch in the United States...

                https://www.************.com/2019/01...-joshua-fight/
                And i'm telling you, Wilder isn't asking for 50/50 for Hearn "Spitting in his face" last year because Wilder has been asking for 50/50 for 2 years now. It's very simple to understand.

                You said the fight will happen because "40% will do it". Well, Hearn is offering 40% and Wilder still doesn't want it. If they tell Wilder that AJ is getting 60 Mill to his 40 Mill, which is 40%, Wilder will reject it and start screaming that he wants 50%. Again, very simple to understand. However, after believing the headline of that piece not long ago even though Hearn never once says the fight has to be DAZN when you read it, your capabilities to take in simple information seems to be beyond you i'm afraid.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Eddy Current
                  Wilder's personality seems a lot more real than Joshua's.
                  Sure Wilder has flaws, but at least he lays them all out there instead of trying to hide them like Joshua does.

                  A Wilder interview is 100x as fun to watch as a Joshua one.
                  You like listening to Wilder's interviews? Anybody with taste and intelligence on the other hand, does not.

                  Enjoy though. I'm sure listening to a mong lie, contradict himself, show extreme hypocrisy, and be oblivious to irony can be fun when your intellect is on his level.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Bronx2245
                    Hearn willing to offer Wilder 50-50 for Joshua on PPV CONDITION

                    Eddie Hearn has set Deontay Wilder a challenge in a bid to earn a 50-50 split of the Anthony Joshua proceeds.

                    In response to Wilder stating he’d be looking for 60-40 if he comes through Tyson Fury on December 1, Hearn stated he wouldn’t go that high.

                    A similar deal to that of Joseph Parker would be on the table for Wilder. Although the American could be offered more if the Fury fight is a success.

                    “I saw Wilder came out and say he wants 60-40 if he beats Fury,” Hearn explained, according to The Daily Star.

                    It frustrates me that people are actually thick enough to think he wants this fight when he comes out with comments like that.

                    “At the moment I think a split of 65-35 in AJ’s favour is fair.

                    “Nobody knows who Deontay Wilder is. But if his fight with Tyson Fury does a million buys plus then he can have 50-50.

                    But if he does under 300,000 buys he should have taken 80-20,” he added.

                    It’s arguable that Wilder would deserve 40% anyway with Fury’s name of his record. Hearn won’t go that far unless Wilder can prove his pulling power.

                    https://www.***************.net/2018...er-joshua-ppv/
                    Wilder was saying he's the one who would have the 60% in his favour if he came through Fury. Not AJ. Wilder thought he already deserved 60% of the cut, but would take 50% for the fans. This was before Fury. But the deluded moron thought he was worth 60% after a win against Fury.

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                    • Eddy Current
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Sid-Knee
                      You like listening to Wilder's interviews? Anybody with taste and intelligence on the other hand, does not.

                      Enjoy though. I'm sure listening to a mong lie, contradict himself, show extreme hypocrisy, and be oblivious to irony can be fun when your intellect is on his level.

                      Lulz, I said they're entertaining. I didn't say I thought he spouted great wisdom or something.

                      You really showed how ****** you are there, though. Gratz.

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