It's hilarious how Crawford keeps calling out Spence yet he re-signed with Top Rank

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  • Fists_of_Fury
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    #51
    Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
    Being WBC champion doesn't automatically mean a fighter is more valuable than a WBO champion, but the value the WBC belt adds to the fighter is more than the value a WBO belt adds to a fighter.

    Shawn Porter doesn't have a big following. He's already lost a couple big fights. His value, without that WBC belt, is way way less than his value with that WBC belt. So even if Crawford is worth more than Porter, Porter's belt is adding more value than Crawford's belt is.

    The WBO welterweight belt is just the in house Top Rank welterweight belt. Being WBO welterweight champion just means you're Top Rank's best welterweight. It's been that way for nearly 20 years. PBC has all the other best welterweights and none of them pursue the WBO belt.
    That WBO belt is definitely Top Rank's belt. I call it the World Bob Organization belt. Look at how fast they took it from Floyd after he beat Pacquiao lol. It shouldn't even be recognized. That belt is beyond worthless and paper.

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    • KTFOKING
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      #52
      Originally posted by .WesternChamp.
      TC needs spence more than spence needs TC at this point.

      spence has opponents like thurman, porter and even pacquiao, and spence is the favorite here to beat all 3! i guess TC can continue fighting guys like amir khan?
      If you're saying Spence has more quality and bigger names opponents in his side of the street? Then of course that is true, but don't think anyone is debating that.

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        #53
        Originally posted by KTFOKING
        If you're saying Spence has more quality and bigger names opponents in his side of the street? Then of course that is true, but don't think anyone is debating that.
        which is why i said TC needs spence more than spence needs him!! HEEELLLOOO!!!?? spence can fight the likes of thurman, pacquiao and a win over those 2 will over write anything crawford related. as for TC, he cant do that. no matter who he fights at TR, it will not out do the names spence has over on his side. TC is in a tough spot right now lol. at least when pac was still with TR, there was still guys like bradley, marquez, etc. now top rank aint got shiiiet for TC.

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        • QueensburyRules
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          #54
          - -Al rarely let's his top fighters fight each other, and they rarely do more than once a year.

          He real good at parsing out spare slurps of koolaide for his fan base here, and I like how he squirrels away sight unseen in his underground bunker to make his minions dance around like the puppets they are.

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          • Biolink
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            #55
            Originally posted by Curt Henning
            lol...another clown who tries to refute the existence of pbc sidechecks...which have been confirmed by pbc fighters including Thurman

            trust this...spence and Thurman(at least before his injury and absence) are making, at least in the ballpark, of the same money that Crawford is.....if they are making a little less its because al has more mouths to feed
            Yup I remember the Chavez Jr situation he caused posting that extra check on Instagram.

            Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
            If there were side checks, these PBC fighters would be talking about all the side money they earned, but they are not. You're another hopeless casual who thinks he has some inside track to what they are earning. As if you are getting a share of their purse, LMAO.
            They have. IDK how you haven't heard. The extra checks they pay out were even one of the points Top Rank brought up in their law suit, because Top Rank believe Haymon would be overstepping his advisory role.

            Last edited by Biolink; 04-29-2019, 07:29 PM.

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            • -Kev-
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              #56
              Originally posted by Bundt
              PPV flop or not, Spence would be an asterisked champion if he doesn’t demand to fight Crawford, so, he needs Crawford more than the other way. As a man, Spence should feel inferior that many people do not consider him the supreme champion. As such, he will have to sacrifice something to obtain the respect he desires. That sacrifice will be the money split.
              Crawford needs Spence more than the other way around.

              With Pacquiao gone from TR, and now fighting under Haymon, TC has like no one to fight.

              Spence has the winner of Thurman-Pacquiao, DSG, Porter.

              And Lomachenko ain't fighting Crawford. If Loma fights any WW, it would be someone on the smaller side like Pacquiao, Mikey or someone who's style he can exploit.

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              • Idunnoshet
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                #57
                Originally posted by QueensburyRules
                - -Al rarely let's his top fighters fight each other, and they rarely do more than once a year.

                He real good at parsing out spare slurps of koolaide for his fan base here, and I like how he squirrels away sight unseen in his underground bunker to make his minions dance around like the puppets they are.
                Thurman fought Porter
                Thurman fought Danny Garcia
                Danny Garcia fought Porter
                Spence is rumored to be fighting Porter next and Pacquiao fighting Thurman ? So that kinda takes care of the first part of your post .
                I couldn't understand WTF you were talking about on the second part . Figured it was just shet talking .

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
                  Being WBC champion doesn't automatically mean a fighter is more valuable than a WBO champion, but the value the WBC belt adds to the fighter is more than the value a WBO belt adds to a fighter.

                  Shawn Porter doesn't have a big following. He's already lost a couple big fights. His value, without that WBC belt, is way way less than his value with that WBC belt. So even if Crawford is worth more than Porter, Porter's belt is adding more value than Crawford's belt is.

                  The WBO welterweight belt is just the in house Top Rank welterweight belt. Being WBO welterweight champion just means you're Top Rank's best welterweight. It's been that way for nearly 20 years. PBC has all the other best welterweights and none of them pursue the WBO belt.
                  Hmmm, not entirely convinced. Porter without a belt is obviously less valuable than without one, but swap his WBC for the WBO and I don't think much changes.
                  Conversely, Crawford's name would ring with or without a belt due to his prior achievements. We saw as soon as he moved up people were talking about Spence v Crawford.

                  The fact that PBC fighters don't go the WBO route doesn't make it any less valuable, we all know it's because Bob and Al don't do business while the Arum/Warren stranglehold isn't much different from what Don King had with the WBC for decades. My guess is that Arum took his inspiration from that.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Cobra Curry
                    Hmmm, not entirely convinced. Porter without a belt is obviously less valuable than without one, but swap his WBC for the WBO and I don't think much changes.
                    Conversely, Crawford's name would ring with or without a belt due to his prior achievements.
                    If Crawford had the WBC welterweight title, he'd have far more leverage than he has right now. Right now he only has the Arum belt and everyone knows it. The other fighters. The networks. Crawford may be taken seriously P4P, but at welterweight, nobody considers him the real champion because he has the least respected belt.


                    The fact that PBC fighters don't go the WBO route doesn't make it any less valuable
                    Of course it makes it less valuable. When the vast majority of the best welterweights in the world have zero interest in a title, that title is impossible to take seriously as the world championship.


                    we all know it's because Bob and Al don't do business while the Arum/Warren stranglehold isn't much different from what Don King had with the WBC for decades.
                    King had a stranglehold on the WBC heavyweight title for years, but he also had most of the best heavyweights.

                    Whereas Arum has a stranglehold on the WBO welterweight title without having most of the best welterweights.

                    Big difference.

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                    • QueensburyRules
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Idunnoshet
                      Thurman fought Porter
                      Thurman fought Danny Garcia
                      Danny Garcia fought Porter
                      Spence is rumored to be fighting Porter next and Pacquiao fighting Thurman ? So that kinda takes care of the first part of your post .
                      I couldn't understand WTF you were talking about on the second part . Figured it was just shet talking .
                      - -Yeah, that's just your aptly named forum moniker talking, thanks for the reminder!

                      Spence has the better welter record because he's not a p4p 3 division champ like Terence...Duh!

                      Haymon has enough top welters to start a WBSS tourney, but he won't, but Spence and Crawford both agreed they want to fight, so now it's up to Haymon and Arum to duke out a fair contract.

                      But will they?

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