Wilders best win too afraid to step in the ring with Joshua.

[Phenom]

He's a far better boxer than Wilder. The HW's know they can outbox Wilder. Not so with Joshua. Joshua has very good power also.

Better boxer than Wilder but he is not in the same class as Ortiz not even the biggest fan boy would disagree

[Robbie Barrett]

Better boxer than Wilder but he is not in the same class as Ortiz not even the biggest fan boy would disagree

What?

Joshua is an Olympic champion, the #1 HW in the world.

Ortiz didn't even make the damn Olympics and has beaten nobody.


You're deluded.

[Phenom]

I don’t think they are afraid, but I think it’s a combination of not being allowed to take any fight outside of PBC and wanting 20 times whatever their highest payday is to take a Joshua fight, they put more value in the money than the chance of competing for the HW crown.

They would get a better split from Wilder but I say take the fight in front of you right now a lot of variables in play to get a Wilder rematch

[Phenom]

What?

Joshua is an Olympic champion, the #1 HW in the world.

Ortiz didn't even make the damn Olympics and has beaten nobody.


You're deluded.

So you're a boxing fan and you honestly think AJ is a better pure boxer than Luis Ortiz?

[lfc19titles]

Aj puts fear into people

He is the Tyson of this era imo

[Ray*]

They would get a better split from Wilder but I say take the fight in front of you right now a lot of variables in play to get a Wilder rematch

Who knows, getting a better split doesn’t mean it’s a better payday. Like you said take the fight in front of you. Beat Joshua, another rematch surely which means another payday. Win again and you have leverage against Wilder in a rematch, lose and the Wilder rematch is still viable. For me turning down 5m with 6 weeks left is a duck, no boogeyman turns down this sort of offer.

[Robbie Barrett]

So you're a boxing fan and you honestly think AJ is a better pure boxer than Luis Ortiz?

The facts speak for themselves.

Ortiz's best Amateur finish was making the quarter finals at the World championships. He's done **** all as a pro.

Joshua has an Olympic gold and a Silver from the Worlds the year before. He's a unified HW champion and clear #1 in the world.

You're deluded thinking Ortiz is a better boxer.

[REDEEMER]

AJ Is no killer his stoppages are usually courtesy of polite English referees

Wilder s best stoppage while having someone actually on their seat is Stiverne. Joshua is Povetkin, it's called levels .

[Phenom]

The facts speak for themselves.

Ortiz's best Amateur finish was making the quarter finals at the World championships. He's done **** all as a pro.

Joshua has an Olympic gold and a Silver from the Worlds the year before. He's a unified HW champion and clear #1 in the world.

You're deluded thinking Ortiz is a better boxer.

So with your logic you must also think Wilder is a better boxer than Luis Ortiz right?

[Robbie Barrett]

So with your logic you must also think Wilder is a better boxer than Luis Ortiz right?

Wilder is a massive puncher which wins him fights.

You yourself discredited Joshua's power and Ortiz has comparable power to Joshua himself. So why has Joshua been more successful than Ortiz? Skill.

Deluded.