Comments Thread For: BoxingScene Pound for Pound: April 2019 Update

[The D3vil]

are you out of your ****ing mind? How on earth is Lomachenko ahead of Canelo? By defeating nobodies and getting bullied by Orlando Salido?

1. Because Loma actually deserved to win all the fights that he's won.

2. Gary Russell Jr. is not a bum, neither was "Axe Man" Walters, or Jorge Linares.

3. He hasn't failed drug tests.

4. His loss was in his 2nd career fight, where his opponent purposely came in overweight, cheated the whole fight, and Loma still almost won. Bernard Hopkins lost his first fight. Did you hold that against him?

[Truth Serum]

Decent list but why is GGG on here? He just LOST to Canelo and is DUCKING all major contenders in his weight class.

Not to mention, he keeps fighting opponents who don’t deserve to fight a contender in the weight class. He doesn’t have a belt and he never moved up in weight?

Lol.... How in the hell is he on anyone’s P4P list? Is he even in the top 5 at the weight? Guess we will never know because he keeps ambushing cab drivers.

GGG is still undefeated in the eyes of millions.. how is Canelo on the list?

[aboutfkntime]

I rate canelo and Loma ahead of Crawford because they showcase their talents against legit opponents.

When you go on a job interview they don't look at all the jobs you ever had. They look at your most job experience. In that case pacman , GGG would not be high on my P4P because their last 3-4 fights weren't that good.

but you just flip-flopped, kinda

you do not rate Crawford, because of lack of resume, therefore lack of experience

but you ignore Pac's outstanding resume, and truckloads of experience

and if you dropped Golovkin because of poor form, and you know that he does not have much a-level experience..... then how can you include him in your list at all?

Crawford CLEARLY has phenomenal skills..... he is a VERY well-rounded fighter, with a very tight game..... probably even more well-rounded than Canelo and Loma

no big deal, Canelo is right up there..... but I would rate Crawford slightly ahead of him at this point based on style/skills..... he is going to be VERY difficult to beat, even for a beast like Spence

Loma could be the best, like I predicted about 3 years ago

[aboutfkntime]

1. Because Loma actually deserved to win all the fights that he's won.

2. Gary Russell Jr. is not a bum, neither was "Axe Man" Walters, or Jorge Linares.

3. He hasn't failed drug tests.

4. His loss was in his 2nd career fight, where his opponent purposely came in overweight, cheated the whole fight, and Loma still almost won. Bernard Hopkins lost his first fight. Did you hold that against him?

umm, yea.....

but what about his PHENOMENAL skillset, perplexing style, and next-level ringIQ?..... the dude is literally a boxing professor

I think that rates WAAAAAY higher than the stuff you mentioned

plenty of fighters do not fail a drug test, that does not make them great..... plenty of fighters face top opposition, that does not make them great either.....

fair points, no argument..... but that stuff cannot be P4P criteria

[Removed Now]

but you just flip-flopped, kinda

you do not rate Crawford, because of lack of resume, therefore lack of experience

but you ignore Pac's outstanding resume, and truckloads of experience

and if you dropped Golovkin because of poor form, and you know that he does not have much a-level experience..... then how can you include him in your list at all?

Crawford CLEARLY has phenomenal skills..... he is a VERY well-rounded fighter, with a very tight game..... probably even more well-rounded than Canelo and Loma

no big deal, Canelo is right up there..... but I would rate Crawford slightly ahead of him at this point based on style/skills..... he is going to be VERY difficult to beat, even for a beast like Spence

Loma could be the best, like I predicted about 3 years ago

Honestly you get no credit in my book for losing unless it's a FOTY fight or very Controversial score cards so GGG wouldn't be on my list.

Yea but mannys last couple of fights were jokes. That's like saying if Shane mosley un retired he's automatically top ten p4p now? Nahh it has to be current most recent fights.

We aren't building a decade p4p list.

My only issue he Crawford needs to fight a top 4-5 welterweight so he needs to fight Danny this year in my book.

[The D3vil]

umm, yea.....

but what about his PHENOMENAL skillset, perplexing style, and next-level ringIQ?..... the dude is literally a boxing professor

I think that rates WAAAAAY higher than the stuff you mentioned

plenty of fighters do not fail a drug test, that does not make them great..... plenty of fighters face top opposition, that does not make them great either.....

fair points, no argument..... but that stuff cannot be P4P criteria

But at the top of the boxing world, there's very little that separates great fighters from other great fighters.

It's absolutely fair to use that as something that can be used when you're splitting hairs, which is what you're doing that high up.

Everybody already knows that other stuff about Lomachenko

[aboutfkntime]

Honestly you get no credit in my book for losing unless it's a FOTY fight or very Controversial score cards so GGG wouldn't be on my list.

Yea but mannys last couple of fights were jokes. That's like saying if Shane mosley un retired he's automatically top ten p4p now? Nahh it has to be current most recent fights.

We aren't building a decade p4p list.

My only issue he Crawford needs to fight a top 4-5 welterweight so he needs to fight Danny this year in my book.

fair call, but I can see why Crawford rates so high with insiders

[aboutfkntime]

But at the top of the boxing world, there's very little that separates great fighters from other great fighters.

It's absolutely fair to use that as something that can be used when you're splitting hairs, which is what you're doing that high up.

Everybody already knows that other stuff about Lomachenko

another fair point

I believe that Lomachenko and Crawford are a level above most other fighters on the current P4P list..... and Canelo is also forcing his way into that tiny group

NOT insisting that Crawford would beat Spence, Loma would beat Mikey, or Canelo would beat Golovkin..... but interestingly, I think Canelo would have the easiest time

[Fire4231]

GGG is still undefeated in the eyes of millions.. how is Canelo on the list?

That’s the problem with “new,” boxing fans, if your hero loses a fight they are no longer worthy of your attention and of true importance their own body of work. Look straight ahead as education comes to your user ID.

P4P was designed to compare two fighters in different weight classes. It’s the mythical event that says if two fighters were shrunk or enlarged to the same size, who would be the better fighter. That being said if a fighter isn’t moving up in weight (like Canelo) and is clearly ducking fighters his own size, how could he be considered a P4P champion? He isn’t even proven best of his division. Even though Canelo’s road was littered with catch weights, cherry picking and biased judging, he deserves to be on the list before GGG. Why because he has literally proven himself against bigger men and he beat GGG. Canelo has taken on top competition in most weight classes he participated in. GGG has blown out mediocre fighters to overhyped media embrace.

The two elite fighters GGG faced he arguably lost against. Both moved up to the same weight class he has campaigned in since the amateurs.

Until big drama attempts to clean out a division and more importantly stops ducking all threats, he doesn’t deserve to be on a pound for pound list. This is not stocks, speculation should not determine who is best. That should be decided by actual combat.