>>> Stop with the nonsense. Arum is the Problem...

**HanzGruber** · 04-22-2019, 10:58 AM

dont forget gamboa garcia

**STREET CLEANER** · 04-22-2019, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Nay_Sayer

Gamboa Lopez didn't get made when both were undefeated and promoted by TR

Mayweather Pacquiao in 2009/2010 didn't get made when they BOTH were on HBO

Garcia Lomachenko didn't get made

de la Hoya Mayweather didn't get made until Floyd abandoned TR

Crawford Pacquiao didn't get made when Manny was still a TR fighter

Mayweather Cotto didn't get made until Miguel abandoned TR

What's the common denominator here?

ARUM is the reason why fights don't happen. Period, full stop.

I keep on telling people the same thing. You cannot believe anything Arum tells you. He is shameless. His fighters make money so they just go with the program.

**Rip Chudd** · 04-22-2019, 11:13 AM

Dude took part in killing the Wilder vs Fury rematch and people act like he is really out there trying to make the best fights for the fans. Give me a break

**Zaryu** · 04-22-2019, 11:16 AM

Arum is a problem, I think it would be dumb to ignore that, but he doesn't have a lot for Crawford, he's desperate and I believe he's willing to negotiate this fight.

**DaNeutral.** · 04-22-2019, 11:21 AM

Arum is a problem. But on current form haymon is THE problem. Arum certainly isnt the problem making the aj wilder fight.

Let's just be real here while the Americans are Pointing at 1 particular promoter over another the rest of the world is just pointing at America. That's where the problem lies. Promoters hiding their stable from money and fame, fighters getting popped for peds all over the place.

Cmon now Americans tidy your crap up.

**Eff Pandas** · 04-22-2019, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Nay_Sayer

What's the common denominator here?

ARUM is the reason why fights don't happen. Period, full stop.

This is the most obvious thing in the world to anyone paying attention, but yea it seems like a lot of mfers are living in fantasyland with Arum being some master of communication & deal maker when this guys failure rate at non-in house big fights is off the f#cking charts.

Yet its Arum who's always making the claim its the other guy lol. So cuz of that some people just believe Arum cuz why would Arum lie about him being the short sighted one I guess is their logic or something idk.

**Floyd is TBE** · 04-22-2019, 11:27 AM

Seems like the Brook fight is already a lock for Crawford, but Arum wants to at least be able to pretend he tried to make the Spence fight for whatever reasons.

**Eff Pandas** · 04-22-2019, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by Zaryu

Arum is a problem, I think it would be dumb to ignore that, but he doesn't have a lot for Crawford, he's desperate and I believe he's willing to negotiate this fight.

This is the only logical take on why Bud vs a PBC name COULD happen next or in the near future. Arum has few options & I think Bud is a man who's not going to sit idly by as his potential legacy in this sport gets diminished by fighting bs TR guys. I think Bud refusing to fight Collazo cuz it was a bs fight & forcing Arum to overpay (imo) Khan to get Bud a somewhat alluring fight to fans (personally it was a 90/10 fight from day 1, but lotsa fans thought it was more compelling cuz Khan does got that hype with some cats surrounding him) proves this Bud/TR thing will be going south soon if TR doesn't help Bud find his ceiling in the game.

And its why I think Bud vs Spence DOES happen. But its not going to happen anytime soon cuz there are too many players at 147 & 1 vs 2 isn't a fight thats at a good value for ANYONE, the fighters or Arum. Arum doesn't even wanna make` Bud vs Spence if its maxed at doing 700k PPV buys or some sh^t. Bud vs Spence isn't likely to realllllllllly make sense for everyone, including Arum, til late 2020 or early 2021 after Spence vs Thurman or Manny has happened & either a Porter, Garcia or another also ran in the unofficial PBC 147 tournament thats been slowly getting figured out since PBC begin crosses the street to help build up Bud's name a lil more.

**SplitSecond** · 04-22-2019, 11:32 AM

And yet the sport was actually thriving until haymon got into power. Ah the good ole' days of boxing hype, stayinh up to watch epic fights, we used to get a ton of fight breakdowns on the forums, lots of great boxing highlight channels on youtube. Gorrilla productions retired now? Wouldnt be surprising with how little boxing has been given us, but no, it was arum all along.

>>> Stop with the nonsense. Arum is the Problem...