Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo-Jacobs, Mayweather-Crawford, More

[Steven Mccowan]

He beat better fighters than Ray Robinson, and Robinson fought over a 100 bums.

Both Mosley and Oscar were much bigger than Floyd and in the same era, stop with this prime not prime BS as Floyd was prime 135 and good enough to beat the best up to 154.

Floyd was great and it amazes me how the newbie brigade will try and and tear down all he did and give free passes to to everyone else. The Pepsi generation know very little about boxing and lot about hype.

you should write in and debate him about this...plus 90% of Floyd fans got turned to boxing with his "money" scheme lol.

[BillyBoxing]

The fact that Canelo had to go down to 152 Vs Floyd is too much overlooked by bread.

Great read as usual

[aboutfkntime]

So who are actually the best fighters Floyd beat going by exactly when he fought them. I would say top 5 are Jose Luis Castillo 02, Diego Corrales 01, Oscar De La Hoya 07, Canelo 13 and Pacquiao 15. Maidana is 2014, Judah 06 and Marquez 09 all have cases:

Bread is da man !!

My humble take:
Castillo BEAT Mayweather by 2-3 rounds. Robbery’s are gonna happen ( GGG vs CLENLO) especially when a fighter has the tools to make money for Nevada etc.....so if you watch boxing you will see more robberies!! By the way the next possible robbery is Canelo vs Jacobs. The only way a robbery doesn’t happen is a legit KO. Canelo is the money man and no body beats him but by KO.

All we ever heard was Corrales was a mental case and the poor man proved it. The piece of shlt Jr knew it and took advantage over it.

ODH was way out of Prime and would have beat the socks off of this gifted bum

Canelo vs Jr was a disappointment and the look on Jr’s face after he knew Canelo wasn’t coming in to kill him was relief.

Pac had a torn rotator cuff

Maidana was in prime and FINALLY the peckerwood fought a prime fighter. Maidana was a great fighter to watch because of his power chin and GAMENESS . He just kept coming and had Jr crying like a child when he got his toy taken away!!

Mayweathers time was filled with average fighters all the special fighters were damaged mentally or physically where he took advantage of that.

Jr bowed out when Spence and Crawford came along. I think both would have Jr crying and shltting his pink panties

neither of those guys will reach Mayweather's level

and I highly doubt that either could have beaten him

sorry to drop that on ya

[The D3vil]

Bread, you have really outdone yourself with this one.

The masterclass you did on trainers gave me a whole new way to judge trainers.

And man, you really put that cat in his place who was dumpin' on Sugar Ray.

I gottta admit that I was one of those until last year, when I rewatched the Hagler/Sugar Ray fight again and realized after 30 years that Sugar RAy actually won that fight.

He came out and took the first half of the fight from Hagler, while Hagler was trying to "box".

By the time he figured out what happened, he was done.

One of the things I hate that fans, trainers and the media do when saying Oscar, Mosley, Cotto, and Pac were past there primes is. They never say Oscar was the lineal SWW Champion, who got all the advantages in the negotiations, and Floyd was fighting for the first time at SWW. His win against Oscar was a solid career defining win, and a change of the guard torch passing fight! Mosley, Cotto, and Pac I agree we’re past their primes slightly, but all were coming off big wins! And the most telling fact that no one likes to mention when this comes up is...FLOYD WAS PAST HIS PRIME IN ALL THREE OF THOSE FIGHTS TOO! Floyd tried to make fights with all three much earlier and Oscar, than when those fights were made. But because Floyd was also past his prime in those three fights people have to stop talking like a prime Mayweather went and beat pass prime greats, it’s just not true! And Pac is actually two years younger! Floyd was just simply the better fighter than all three!

You're right.

I'm actually guilty of that too, but once again, it was Bread that hipped me to the fact that Floyd had the longest prime in history, which is why ironically, I think he gets judged so harshly.

We wouldn't expect at 34,35,36, 37 year old guy to fight the best of the best and be better than them, but since Floyd (like Hopkins) was so good for so long, we're actually not appreciating how well he aged.

We consider him "ducking" by fighting guys "past their prime", when most of the time, he's way older than those guys and in any other circumstance, we'd be criticizing them for fighting an "old man"

[The plunger man]

once again bread putting a clueless fool into place over the leonard vs hagler fight.
Same size gloves , 12 round fight was the norm then.
Hagler fans just cannot accept that leonard won lol

[Bronx2245]

Thurman don't want that smoke bruh.

Thurman won't even acknowledge Crawford as a top fighter.

Crawford is a three division champ who is also, along with Usyk, one of only two undisputed champions in over a decade.

He is also a world champ at the same weight class as Thurman and is universally recognised as #1/#2 pvp in the world and yet Thurman acts like Crawford has to prove himself to face him.

What does that tell you? Obviously one of two things, that Thurman is blatanly ducking and scared of Crawford or that he actually believes this crap that he spewing, in which case he would be clinically insane. Either way, this makes negotiations for Crawford vs Thurman impossible.

At least Spence acknowledges Crawford as a top fighter and actually wants to fight him, he just doesn't believe it is possible until he unifies the division from his side (presumably so that he can become a big enough star that ESPN/Arum + Haymon/Showtime can find a compromise, in other words, for there to be enough money in the fight that both are willing to split the ppv).

Also you have to remember that PBC fighters generally don't fight for the WBO title. You'll be hard pressed to find any pbc fighter holding the wbo title. Something's up with PBC/Haymon and the wbo. Even Mayweather dropped it as soon as he won it from Pacquiao.

spence probably knows he won't be able to hold on to that title. Therefore, given that his goal has always been to be undisputed a welterweight before moving up, it would make sense for him to fight for it last, coz if he fights for it now he'll be forced to drop it and then won't be able to become undisputed when he beats Thurman and Porter, or he'll have to fight for it AGAIN!

Really from Spence's perspective he has to fast Crawford last. Although I think if Thurman still aint willing to fight after Spence beats Porter I think he'll cut his losses and fight Crawford anyway and then move up without ever fighting Thurman.

Thurman will have the "Spence moved up" excuse but we'll all know the truth.

I'm just saying, Bob made an offer to DSG, then a bigger offer to Khan, maybe he should make Thurman an even BIGGER offer, and see what happens! Do it proper though, call Haymon! I hope we get Thurman vs. Pacquiao, and Spence vs. Porter! I know Thurman is running out of excuses! He has to fight Spence or Crawford soon, if he survives Pacquiao! Let's see! One Time, MAN UP!

[The plunger man]

Bread, you have really outdone yourself with this one.

The masterclass you did on trainers gave me a whole new way to judge trainers.

And man, you really put that cat in his place who was dumpin' on Sugar Ray.

I gottta admit that I was one of those until last year, when I rewatched the Hagler/Sugar Ray fight again and realized after 30 years that Sugar RAy actually won that fight.

He came out and took the first half of the fight from Hagler, while Hagler was trying to "box".

By the time he figured out what happened, he was done.



You're right.

I'm actually guilty of that too, but once again, it was Bread that hipped me to the fact that Floyd had the longest prime in history, which is why ironically, I think he gets judged so harshly.

We wouldn't expect at 34,35,36, 37 year old guy to fight the best of the best and be better than them, but since Floyd (like Hopkins) was so good for so long, we're actually not appreciating how well he aged.

We consider him "ducking" by fighting guys "past their prime", when most of the time, he's way older than those guys and in any other circumstance, we'd be criticizing them for fighting an "old man"

yep bread was spot on about the trainers and he was also nailed the leonard hagler fight m8.
Bread is one boxing guru that's for sure

[Terrell1555]

Cotto was 31 and Floyd was 35, lol, but they always complain about Cotto being past prime doe.

Exactly! Floyd was passed his prime against Mosley, Cotto, and Pac, but the way fans and media talk about they subliminal come off like Floyd was in his prime and they wasn’t!

[Terrell1555]

Very very well said!