Lomachenko should chase the big fights at this point, no more unifying paper titles.

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  • W1LL
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    Lomachenko should chase the big fights at this point, no more unifying paper titles.

    I found last nights' fight a sickeningly pointless exercise. Anthony Crolla was way, way, way out of his depth. And he won't be the only one if things carry on. "He was the mandatory doe!", "Loma would be stripped doe!"

    Let me start by saying, I am a Lomachenko fan, and I have been a Loma fan since before most of you fairweather morons knew he even existed. Now, back to the point I'm trying to make.

    Crolla is the epitome of a paper champion. He can call himself a former "World champion" only because of how watered down Boxing has become. He has also beaten a former three-weight "World champion" in Ricky Burns. In reality, both Burns and Crolla are at best European-level, based solely off of ability and skill.

    In this day and age, someone being a "World" champion doesn't necessarily make them the best. Most likely they've just been matched extremely well and/or their promoter has a shady understanding with that particular alphabet organisation. This goes for the titlists and the contender's rankings with the same orgs. They are nowhere near a reflection of who is the best in any given division.

    It is common now to have "World" champions in a division who we all know are not the best fighter in their division. But still, "We need to see a unification doe!" "He is a whurl champion doe!"

    Some examples:
    • Deontay Wilder holds the WBC Heavyweight title through robbing Tyson Fury. Wilder's belt now is a meaningless trinket.
    • Anthony Dirrell holds the WBC Super Middleweight title, while Callum Smith, a much better fighter than Dirrell, holds the WBC Diamond Super Middleweight title.
    • Keith Thurman was out for two years and came back and won a WBA Super title at Welterweight against an unranked opponent.
    • Richard Commey holds the IBF title at Lightweight in a division where the only real fight for Loma is against Mikey Garcia.


    All this kinda things does is create more and more confusion.
    • The fight at Heavyweigh is Fury vs. AJ. But Wilder holds a paper title, so morons will argue nobody can be King until they take it from him. Even though it's proven he can lose at least 10 rounds clearly and still not get beaten on the cards.
    • Callum Smith vs. Gilberto Ramirez is the fight at Super Middle, but morons will argue "Dirrell and Plant holds belts doe!"
    • Terrence Crawford vs. Errol Spence Jr. is the fight at Welterweight, but people will argue "Thurman (who is shot) and Porter holds belts doe!"
    • Lomachenko is clearly the best fighter from 135 down, and should move up and fight Mikey at 140, or the winner of the WBSS. or Pacman. "But Commey has a belt doe!"


    The point is, Loma should be chasing legacy-defining fights. Do audacious things, because he is clearly head and shoulders above anyone else currently out there in Boxing. Do what Mikey couldn't, move up to 147 and beat Spence or Crawford? Make a play in which people doubt and there seems to be a serious risk of losing.

    At this rate, Loma spends the rest of 2019 winning Commey's title, and then trying to chase a fight with Gervonta Davis or Mikey Garcia, and then what? We already know he's the best fighter below Super Lightweight. I am a big Loma fan, but I'm beginning to get turned off by how uncompetitive these fights are against "contenders" and "World" (paper) champions.
  • DuckAdonis
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    #2
    The man wants to become undisputed...

    If you don't like that you can gladly f#k off

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    • W1LL
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      #3
      Originally posted by DuckAdonis
      The man wants to become undisputed...

      If you don't like that you can gladly f#k off
      You'll understand some day, kid. We live in an era of irrelevant, watered-down titles. It hasn't always been like this.

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        #4
        Originally posted by W1LL
        I found last nights' fight a sickeningly pointless exercise. Anthony Crolla was way, way, way out of his depth. And he won't be the only one if things carry on. "He was the mandatory doe!", "Loma would be stripped doe!"

        Let me start by saying, I am a Lomachenko fan, and I have been a Loma fan since before most of you fairweather morons knew he even existed. Now, back to the point I'm trying to make.

        Crolla is the epitome of a paper champion. He can call himself a former "World champion" only because of how watered down Boxing has become. He has also beaten a former three-weight "World champion" in Ricky Burns. In reality, both Burns and Crolla are at best European-level, based solely off of ability and skill.

        In this day and age, someone being a "World" champion doesn't necessarily make them the best. Most likely they've just been matched extremely well and/or their promoter has a shady understanding with that particular alphabet organisation. This goes for the titlists and the contender's rankings with the same orgs. They are nowhere near a reflection of who is the best in any given division.

        It is common now to have "World" champions in a division who we all know are not the best fighter in their division. But still, "We need to see a unification doe!" "He is a whurl champion doe!"

        Some examples:
        • Deontay Wilder holds the WBC Heavyweight title through robbing Tyson Fury. Wilder's belt now is a meaningless trinket.
        • Anthony Dirrell holds the WBC Super Middleweight title, while Callum Smith, a much better fighter than Dirrell, holds the WBC Diamond Super Middleweight title.
        • Keith Thurman was out for two years and came back and won a WBA Super title at Welterweight against an unranked opponent.
        • Richard Commey holds the IBF title at Lightweight in a division where the only real fight for Loma is against Mikey Garcia.


        All this kinda things does is create more and more confusion.
        • The fight at Heavyweigh is Fury vs. AJ. But Wilder holds a paper title, so morons will argue nobody can be King until they take it from him. Even though it's proven he can lose at least 10 rounds clearly and still not get beaten on the cards.
        • Callum Smith vs. Gilberto Ramirez is the fight at Super Middle, but morons will argue "Dirrell and Plant holds belts doe!"
        • Terrence Crawford vs. Errol Spence Jr. is the fight at Welterweight, but people will argue "Thurman (who is shot) and Porter holds belts doe!"
        • Lomachenko is clearly the best fighter from 135 down, and should move up and fight Mikey at 140, or the winner of the WBSS. or Pacman. "But Commey has a belt doe!"


        The point is, Loma should be chasing legacy-defining fights. Do audacious things, because he is clearly head and shoulders above anyone else currently out there in Boxing. Do what Mikey couldn't, move up to 147 and beat Spence or Crawford? Make a play in which people doubt and there seems to be a serious risk of losing.

        At this rate, Loma spends the rest of 2019 winning Commey's title, and then trying to chase a fight with Gervonta Davis or Mikey Garcia, and then what? We already know he's the best fighter below Super Lightweight. I am a big Loma fan, but I'm beginning to get turned off by how uncompetitive these fights are against "contenders" and "World" (paper) champions.
        I agree. I'm starting to feel how stagnated Lomachenko's career is compared to what he did earlier. He ran out of opponents available to fight and instead of having legacy defining fights he's just feasting 500-1 underdogs.

        He should have been fighting undisputed at this point. He missed his opportunity also for a Pacquiao fight when Pacquiao offered it at 140 which would have been a huuuuge legacy and prize fight for him which propells him to stardom had he fought and beaten Pacquiao. And then just went back to 135.

        But instead he just went back to fighting mediocre opposition. The other champions would have been at his doorstep begging for a fight after Pacquiao passed the torch to him for a big payday and he wouldn't have to concern about other fighters ducking him, but instead here we are.

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        • Lomasexual
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          #5
          Originally posted by W1LL
          We live in an era of irrelevant, watered-down titles. It hasn't always been like this.
          Individual belts might be considered to be not so important.

          But unification is a solid achievement. If you want the equivalent of the old school champs before all of the paper titles started, then the best we have now are unified champs.

          I'm almost never against unification.

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            #6
            No risk, no glory.

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            • The3
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              #7
              Getting all the belts at 135 first then moving back down to 130 to get all the belts are his big fights

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                #8
                Originally posted by The3
                Getting all the belts at 135 first then moving back down to 130 to get all the belts are his big fights
                It never seems a smart move to go up then back down.

                A few pounds is a lot when you are small.

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                • DaBeastO
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Lomasexual
                  Individual belts might be considered to be not so important.

                  But unification is a solid achievement. If you want the equivalent of the old school champs before all of the paper titles started, then the best we have now are unified champs.

                  I'm almost never against unification.
                  that guy is a fool. unification matters and becoming undisputed champion is a rare thing and will add to loma's legacy! lomachenko is already a unified champ he's halfway to becoming undisputed champ at lightweight. fighting mikey for the wbc belt would be a risk because he has skill and has the size advantage. commey brings the ibf belt and you could argue he's undefeated he also has is big for a lightweight.

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                  • Lomadeaux
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                    #10
                    He’ll fight them all. They won’t fight him.

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