Current American impact on world boxing the lowest in its history?

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  • !! Anorak
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    Current American impact on world boxing the lowest in its history?

    I was looking through the divisions the other day, and the US's hold on the divisions is now increasingly tenuous since the end of the cold war.

    Here's a brief look at the higher weights where Americans are normally competitive (featherweights et al omitted for obvious reasons):


    Heavyweight - just one Rahman chin-check away from being 100% Soviet/former Soviet satellite titlists.

    Cruiserweight - If we count Bell as an American, then he's holding the unified title. If we count him as Jamaican, then it's a different story. Although the belts are unified, there are a wide variety of nations clammering to get at them...

    Light-Heavyweight - A division with which it's impossible to get a clear picture on at the moment. In six months time it may be easier to say, but at the moment its ruler is retired, so...

    Super-Middleweight - Up to March 25th Showtime were plugging this often overlooked division as "wide open". Now it's one that they don't talk about.

    Middleweight - For the moment, this division is safe, held by Taylor. But will he be able to get past Sturm and the winner of Abraham-Miranda?

    Welterweights - At the moment this is held by an Argentinian, though it's perhaps fair to say it's only a matter of time. But while we're all arguing about who would win out of Hatton vs. Mayweather, would either of them get past Margarito?


    It's amusing to look at the current list, because often on here you'll see people type the tired old cliche "they need to come to the States to prove they can fight". But with the current state of American impact on world boxing, shouldn't we really be saying... Americans need to come to Europe?
  • amagnin
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    I agree that Americans seem to have less of a hold over the divisions that they historically have dominated. Nonetheless, I think the adage "they have to come to America to prove themselves" still holds true because European fighters MORE OFTEN(not always)have inflated records. But this trend could also be changing. Also, another reason for the change could be that figters in other countries are "hungrier." Boxing has historically been an escape from a hard life for fighters, and the life of most outside the US is usually tougher than inside.

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    • THE REAL NINJA
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      and it only took you 100 years to take over GOOD, GREAT, WONDERFUL, WAY TO GO, I'LL GET YOU A COOKIE RIGHT AWAY

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      • !! Anorak
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        Originally posted by THE REAL NINJA
        and it only took you 100 years to take over GOOD, GREAT, WONDERFUL, WAY TO GO, I'LL GET YOU A COOKIE RIGHT AWAY
        Nah, we're in no better shape. Make it a hot dog.

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        • El Jesus
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          Most of the europeans who are worth a damn have an american trainer, our style of fighting will never die.

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          • BrooklynBomber
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            #6
            Originally posted by Black Jesus
            Most of the europeans who are worth a damn have an american trainer, our style of fighting will never die.
            Jesus got a point here, America's impact on boxing skill-wise is huge.

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            • iron mike tyson
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              i beleive the "inflated rcords" goes to show that the domestic and european scene in boxing is cramped with potential and with most european fighters willing to fight 4-5 times a year just goes to show that european boxing is better than american atm

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              • amagnin
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                Originally posted by iron mike tyson
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                i beleive the "inflated rcords" goes to show that the domestic and european scene in boxing is cramped with potential and with most european fighters willing to fight 4-5 times a year just goes to show that european boxing is better than american atm
                In a certain sense I want to agree with you, but then I see some of the European Champions and have a change of heart. Sven Otke; Junior Witter; Castillejo; Clinton Woods; Markus Beyer; Valuev. These guys have terrific records but they are only contenders, I wouldn't call them champions with staying power. I'm sure there are similar "paper" champions in the US, but I just think it is a little more prevalent in Europe.

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                • Crazy Dude
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                  Originally posted by Black Jesus
                  Most of the europeans who are worth a damn have an american trainer, our style of fighting will never die.
                  Aren't most trainers retired fighters? So dominance of American trainers reflects American dominance of boxing 20 - 30 years ago.

                  Maybe 20 years from now most trainers will be Eastern European.

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                  • Crazy Dude
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                    If the USA isn’t dominant in producing fighters its still the dominant market for watching boxing. Most fighters want to fight there, a lot of them move there.

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