Comments Thread For: Bob Arum: If Wilder Hits Him On the Chin, It's Goodbye Joshua!

[Bronx2245]

Lol your bias is ridiculous.

Fury beat Wlad before they made it to the ring hence he didn't really come to fight clearly shown in his punch output, props to Fury's mind games which is part of his arsenal.

The Wlad AJ fought beats Ortiz everyday of the week and twice on Sundays as they say.

That Povetkin is 50-50 with Ortiz if any of the hype is real from you guys probably not since he is challenged with mediocre competition so more likely 60/70-40/30.

Fury was a cherrypick gone wrong. Wilder saw he looked rubbish against Pianetta and thought he'd get a bit of that and was lucky he got the draw which you guys seem to be playing as a win.

AJ is a bigger name it's a fact, due to him beating bigger names and clearly shown in the fact that he can earn more fighting Povetkin than Wilder and Fury can earn combined fighting each other.

Fury beat Wlad in the ring! And he didn't get dropped! That Wlad that fought Fury had beaten Bryant Jennings 7 months ago, and he was 39! The Wlad AJ fought, had not fought in almost 18 months and he was 41! Fury was no cherry pick! He had 3 camps and 2 fights before Wilder! And he was only 30! Not 41, but 30! No doubt AJ has a bigger name than Wilder, OVER THERE, because UK fans come 80,000 deep to see Joshua vs. Martin! Wilder wouldn't get 15,000 people to come see that OVER HERE! Y'all can downplay Luis Ortiz all you want! If he was so easy, Wlad, Joshua, Povetkin, and Fury would've fought him! Yet, they didn't!

[P4Pdunny]

Funny this narrative, because if AJ hurts Wilder you better believe he's getting him out of there also. AJ is a great finisher as well as Wilder is.

[b Murphington]

Yes, we know Orriz is his best win by far, but there are at least 5 guys on AJs resume far better.
The Fury loss has exposed Wilder- his power is hyped and he looks like a fool againstnqnyone decent
Joshua would box his ears off and then smash him in about round 5

The Fury lost didn’t expose his power. It might have exposed his boxing skills, but we already knew going in that Wilder wasn’t a good boxer. For all intensive purposes, Fury was knocked out by the 2nd knockdown. By the grace of God, Fury somehow got up. Everyone thought he was out. You probably thought so too. Fury admits it himself he doesn’t know how he got up. 9 out of 10 refs would’ve stopped the fight.

Idk who would win the Joshua - Wilder fight. I would assume Joshua would be the favorite going in and rightfully so. I would think that Wilder would need a KO to win. Both guys possess KO power so it might come down to who lands first. Because Joshua isn’t as awkward as Fury, Wilder might have an easier time landing on Joshua, but Joshua has more power than Fury and it’s not like Wilder is hard to hit, so Wilder could get KOed early. It all remains to be seen. It’ll be a great fight I hope it gets made soon, but all these heavyweights are on different networks now. Boxing politics make fights so hard to make these days.

[Jax teller]

Fury beat Wlad in the ring! And he didn't get dropped! That Wlad that fought Fury had beaten Bryant Jennings 7 months ago, and he was 39! The Wlad AJ fought, had not fought in almost 18 months and he was 41! Fury was no cherry pick! He had 3 camps and 2 fights before Wilder! And he was only 30! Not 41, but 30! No doubt AJ has a bigger name than Wilder, OVER THERE, because UK fans come 80,000 deep to see Joshua vs. Martin! Wilder wouldn't get 15,000 people to come see that OVER HERE! Y'all can downplay Luis Ortiz all you want! If he was so easy, Wlad, Joshua, Povetkin, and Fury would've fought him! Yet, they didn't!

AJ hasn't had the opportunity to fight Ortiz since Ortiz chose to fight Wilder not AJ and Miller is a better debut in America from the casual/commercial point of view as a top ten undefeated loud mouth.

If Ortiz was as good as Povetkin or Wlad he would have been in more mando positions by now since he's 40 years old but he had to keep cheating and getting suspensions. Man this guy wasn't even the best in Cuba and it was more than one guy beating him.

Don't matter how many camps Fury had before Wilder he still looked rubbish in his last perfomance against Pianetta, do you think Wilder didn't notice that or something? Are you saying he looked like he was back at elite world level by going the distance with Pianetta? Wilder thought he was gonna get a soft touch, not questionable because there's no way you can say Fury looked like a threat to any top guy from his any of his comeback fights. Lol Bellew was calling Fury out FFS that show's how threatening he looked.

[Bronx2245]

AJ hasn't had the opportunity to fight Ortiz since Ortiz chose to fight Wilder not AJ and Miller is a better debut in America from the casual/commercial point of view as a top ten undefeated loud mouth.

If Ortiz was as good as Povetkin or Wlad he would have been in more mando positions by now since he's 40 years old but he had to keep cheating and getting suspensions. Man this guy wasn't even the best in Cuba and it was more than one guy beating him.

Don't matter how many camps Fury had before Wilder he still looked rubbish in his last perfomance against Pianetta, do you think Wilder didn't notice that or something? Are you saying he looked like he was back at elite world level by going the distance with Pianetta? Wilder thought he was gonna get a soft touch, not questionable because there's no way you can say Fury looked like a threat to any top guy from his any of his comeback fights. Lol Bellew was calling Fury out FFS that show's how threatening he looked.

Wilder didn't call him out because he was "non-threatening," he called him out because Joshua came with a BS flat-fee offer, and the fight didn't happen! Also, Fury is the lineal champion! This is the same reason why Hearn tried to sign Fury:

“I think right now there’s more chance of fighting Tyson Fury. There’s a man that knows he can have this fight if he wants it.

“I’ve spoken to him. He knows if he wants to fight Joshua, it can happen April 13. We’ve probably got about ten days to two weeks before we have to officially pull the trigger...”

“Wilder, Fury and Whyte, they’ve all had offers, they could all sign now, today, and get the fight, but do they want it?

“The offers, some have been made, some are about to be improved, it’s put up or shut up time.”

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...eontay-wilder/

It seems everyone is garbage unless AJ fights them! If AJ fights Fury, "it's a different Fury!" If AJ fights Wlad way later than Fury, "it's a better Wlad!" If AJ fights Povetkin, way later than Wlad, and he's no longer on PEDs, "it's a better Povetkin!" If Aj doesn't fight Ortiz, "it's because Ortiz left to fight Wilder!" Somehow, "Big Baby" Miller will become better than Ortiz and Fury! You AJ d*ck riders will make it so!

[Jax teller]

Wilder didn't call him out because he was "non-threatening," he called him out because Joshua came with a BS flat-fee offer, and the fight didn't happen! Also, Fury is the lineal champion! This is the same reason why Hearn tried to sign Fury:

“I think right now there’s more chance of fighting Tyson Fury. There’s a man that knows he can have this fight if he wants it.

“I’ve spoken to him. He knows if he wants to fight Joshua, it can happen April 13. We’ve probably got about ten days to two weeks before we have to officially pull the trigger...”

“Wilder, Fury and Whyte, they’ve all had offers, they could all sign now, today, and get the fight, but do they want it?

“The offers, some have been made, some are about to be improved, it’s put up or shut up time.”

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...eontay-wilder/

It seems everyone is garbage unless AJ fights them! If AJ fights Fury, "it's a different Fury!" If AJ fights Wlad way later than Fury, "it's a better Wlad!" If AJ fights Povetkin, way later than Wlad, and he's no longer on PEDs, "it's a better Povetkin!" If Aj doesn't fight Ortiz, "it's because Ortiz left to fight Wilder!" Somehow, "Big Baby" Miller will become better than Ortiz and Fury! You AJ d*ck riders will make it so!

It's ironic you're complaining no one is good unless AJ has fought them but at the same time trashing AJ's opponents and only rating the guys Wilder has fought. Ortiz is a good win just not as good as Wlad and likely Povetkin, Wilders literally beat no one else of note either or anybody near the likes of Whyte, Parker, Takam and Breazealle, AJ's 5th best win (due to be 6th if AJ makes it past Miller) due to be Wilders 2nd best win in double the number of fights AJ has had to put it all in perspective.

The reason Hearn didn't sign Fury is because Fury said he wanted plenty of warm ups for loads of money and was surprised he was taking the Wilder fight. Fury only proved he was able to compete at top level after fighting Wilder, there was literally no indicators before to show he belonged in the ring with Wilder, Wilder/Finkel knew this and so did everyone else.

Lol you guys are funny, Wilder has two fights and only Wins one and suddenly he's been beating worldies his whole life and everyone should agree with this, delusional to say the least.

[15 Rounds again]

Fury beat Wlad in the ring! And he didn't get dropped! That Wlad that fought Fury had beaten Bryant Jennings 7 months ago, and he was 39! The Wlad AJ fought, had not fought in almost 18 months and he was 41! Fury was no cherry pick! He had 3 camps and 2 fights before Wilder! And he was only 30! Not 41, but 30! No doubt AJ has a bigger name than Wilder, OVER THERE, because UK fans come 80,000 deep to see Joshua vs. Martin! Wilder wouldn't get 15,000 people to come see that OVER HERE! Y'all can downplay Luis Ortiz all you want! If he was so easy, Wlad, Joshua, Povetkin, and Fury would've fought him! Yet, they didn't!

The stupidity on display here is jaw dropping.
In order to make a point about Wilder being a bigger draw than Joshua (which is ludicrous to begin with) you post that Joshua can draw 80,000 for a home fight with CM but Wilder would only do about 15,000 at home versus same opponent.

Joshua is bigger and better than your hype job basketball player in every way.

Skill, power record and commercial success. Get your head outta yiur hoop, clean your ears out and get an education from Brits on boxing - you're f%$#@ng delusional.

[Bronx2245]

It's ironic you're complaining no one is good unless AJ has fought them but at the same time trashing AJ's opponents and only rating the guys Wilder has fought. Ortiz is a good win just not as good as Wlad and likely Povetkin, Wilders literally beat no one else of note either or anybody near the likes of Whyte, Parker, Takam and Breazealle, AJ's 5th best win (due to be 6th if AJ makes it past Miller) due to be Wilders 2nd best win in double the number of fights AJ has had to put it all in perspective.

The reason Hearn didn't sign Fury is because Fury said he wanted plenty of warm ups for loads of money and was surprised he was taking the Wilder fight. Fury only proved he was able to compete at top level after fighting Wilder, there was literally no indicators before to show he belonged in the ring with Wilder, Wilder/Finkel knew this and so did everyone else.

Lol you guys are funny, Wilder has two fights and only Wins one and suddenly he's been beating worldies his whole life and everyone should agree with this, delusional to say the least.

We'll just agree to disagree! Wilder fought Ortiz and Fury! Fury fought Wlad and Wilder! AJ fought Wlad and Povetkin! I think Fury is #1, even though he was sleeping for about 13 seconds! Hopefully we'll see AJ fight one of the Top 3 (Wilder, Fury, Ortiz)...ONE DAY?

[Bronx2245]

The stupidity on display here is jaw dropping.
In order to make a point about Wilder being a bigger draw than Joshua (which is ludicrous to begin with) you post that Joshua can draw 80,000 for a home fight with CM but Wilder would only do about 15,000 at home versus same opponent.

Joshua is bigger and better than your hype job basketball player in every way.

Skill, power record and commercial success. Get your head outta yiur hoop, clean your ears out and get an education from Brits on boxing - you're f%$#@ng delusional.

If you knew the whole thread, you wouldn't sound so stupid! I never said Wilder is a bigger draw! I didn't even bring up Wilder, until some hater injected him in the conversation! As far as I'm concerned, there are 4 Horseman: Wilder, Joshua, Fury, and Ortiz! Joshua's problem is that he hasn't fought either of them! Wilder has fought 2 of them! Fury fought Wilder, when Joshua did NOT, in a place Joshua would NOT, and Fury fought Wlad ON THE ROAD, when Wlad was YOUNGER and ACTIVE! Joshua can sell 80K in tickets fighting Charles Martin, but that is not going to be enough! The worse thing that can happen for Joshua is a Wilder vs. Fury rematch! Arum knows this, and it will be THE FIGHT at HW! AGAIN, Joshua will NOT be involved with the biggest heavyweight event in the world! He'll have the most belts, the most money, but it won't be the same as being seen as THE BEST! Joshua will still be this guy in the U.S.:

The games being played and why it means Joshua-Wilder won't be next
Dan Rafael
ESPN
April 16, 2018:

The main reason is that, at least when it comes to actions instead of words, it seems like the Joshua camp is not actually serious about pursuing one of the biggest fights in the sport and easily the biggest fight in the heavyweight division in many years...


If Joshua (21-0, 20 KOs) wants the fight with Wilder (40-0, 39 KOs) next, it sure doesn't seem that way, regardless of what he says. It's clear in the offer Joshua's promoter, Matchroom Boxing's Eddie Hearn, recently made to the Wilder camp: a flat fee of $12.5 million, take it or leave it, for Wilder's participation in the fight.

Of course, $12.5 million large is giant money for most people, but for a fight of this magnitude, it is not a serious offer. If Wilder's team -- managers Al Haymon, Shelly Finkel and Jay Deas and promoter Lou DiBella -- accepted the deal, they would be committing malpractice on behalf of their client...

A little history lesson: When we were bogged down in the will-they-or-won't-they nonsense of the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao saga, Mayweather at one point offered Pacquiao a flat fee of $40 million. That's monster money, but not in the context of that event. Pacquiao rightfully said no. When the fight was finally made, Pacquiao got 40 percent of the pie and earned well over $100 million.

Joshua-Wilder is the exact same situation but for less money. Wilder and his team would be foolish to accept such a laughable offer, and Joshua's camp knows it -- which is why, at this point, all talk the of Joshua-Wilder being next is nothing more than a game boxing fans are not interested in playing.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...ean-fight-next

Wilder and Fury are not signing to DAZN to fight Joshua! What's Joshua's Plan B? Usyk? Rematch with Wlad? Joshua doesn't need money, but he does need Wilder or Fury! ASAP!

[15 Rounds again]

If you knew the whole thread, you wouldn't sound so stupid! I never said Wilder is a bigger draw! I didn't even bring up Wilder, until some hater injected him in the conversation! As far as I'm concerned, there are 4 Horseman: Wilder, Joshua, Fury, and Ortiz! Joshua's problem is that he hasn't fought either of them! Wilder has fought 2 of them! Fury fought Wilder, when Joshua did NOT, in a place Joshua would NOT, and Fury fought Wlad ON THE ROAD, when Wlad was YOUNGER and ACTIVE! Joshua can sell 80K in tickets fighting Charles Martin, but that is not going to be enough! The worse thing that can happen for Joshua is a Wilder vs. Fury rematch! Arum knows this, and it will be THE FIGHT at HW! AGAIN, Joshua will NOT be involved with the biggest heavyweight event in the world! He'll have the most belts, the most money, but it won't be the same as being seen as THE BEST! Joshua will still be this guy in the U.S.:

The games being played and why it means Joshua-Wilder won't be next
Dan Rafael
ESPN
April 16, 2018:

The main reason is that, at least when it comes to actions instead of words, it seems like the Joshua camp is not actually serious about pursuing one of the biggest fights in the sport and easily the biggest fight in the heavyweight division in many years...


If Joshua (21-0, 20 KOs) wants the fight with Wilder (40-0, 39 KOs) next, it sure doesn't seem that way, regardless of what he says. It's clear in the offer Joshua's promoter, Matchroom Boxing's Eddie Hearn, recently made to the Wilder camp: a flat fee of $12.5 million, take it or leave it, for Wilder's participation in the fight.

Of course, $12.5 million large is giant money for most people, but for a fight of this magnitude, it is not a serious offer. If Wilder's team -- managers Al Haymon, Shelly Finkel and Jay Deas and promoter Lou DiBella -- accepted the deal, they would be committing malpractice on behalf of their client...

A little history lesson: When we were bogged down in the will-they-or-won't-they nonsense of the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao saga, Mayweather at one point offered Pacquiao a flat fee of $40 million. That's monster money, but not in the context of that event. Pacquiao rightfully said no. When the fight was finally made, Pacquiao got 40 percent of the pie and earned well over $100 million.

Joshua-Wilder is the exact same situation but for less money. Wilder and his team would be foolish to accept such a laughable offer, and Joshua's camp knows it -- which is why, at this point, all talk the of Joshua-Wilder being next is nothing more than a game boxing fans are not interested in playing.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...ean-fight-next

Wilder and Fury are not signing to DAZN to fight Joshua! What's Joshua's Plan B? Usyk? Rematch with Wlad? Joshua doesn't need money, but he does need Wilder or Fury! ASAP!

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Whyte is better than Ortiz by some distance. He's also a lot better than Wilder, would stop Fury, and is close to being a match for Joshua. Massively under appreciated - he'd be America's best hope, if he was American