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  • #61
    Originally posted by BOXING-SCRIBE View Post
    Lenox Lewis is the truth, some of those wins were a bit blown out of proportion, but in my opinion he is one of the best HW ever..

    Joe Slaphappy: Everyone, but Jones and Hopkins are avg joes, but for the sake of this convo, they are bums..He lost to Hopkins IMO, and Jones was about a quarter century passed his prime, it would be like giving Camacho credit for beating Ray Leonard...

    Nigel Benn: Those guys are big names, but all had more than 5 L's when they fought Benn,,it would like giving canelo credit for beating mosley or cotto..and you listed Williams, was that serious?

    Hamed: I thought you guys didn't even claim him...He was probably the best B level guy of all-time..he could have been an A level fighter had his ball not gone into his stomach after the Barrera fight..The baby face assassin turned out to be quite special, Hamed could have gone onto to beat other A level guys..he bitg almost everything about his ring entrances from Camacho though..but I LOVED THEM!l

    Ricky Hatton: Hatton lost to Collazo in my opinion and in the opinion of many others..Paulie is right behind Hamed lol...I guess I'll give him credit for that lol..Philips?Hatton is a good lad he will always be remembered for his great attitude and the famous check hook face plant. good bloke though

    AJ: those are 2 good wins. Sort of, but you know AJ is a B/itch

    Brook: PORTER IS THE SINGLE MOST NON TALENTED CHAMP IN BOXING RIGHT NOW, I'll give a goose credit if he pecks that dumb dumb..

    So there is the breakdown of those Victorious fights for y'll..

    Porter,jacobs,Thurman,Hooker,Hart,Vargas,Farmer,Br onner, Sadam Ali,Lubin,Both Dirrels, I mean theres a few
    All the wins I listed apart from the Martin and Brezeale wins are good fighters. To think otherwise doesn't make you much of a fan. Most don't go on the be HOF's. They're just good, solid world class fighters. Nearly every world class fighter is good apart from the select few who rise above them. But the HOF's resumes are filled with mostly good fighters and not great ones. To deny them would leave every great in history with only a few wins or none at all.

    It was close against Hopkins, but Joe won. Hopkins came to make it ugly and that's what we got. But Joe pulled through. Hopkins knew he lost by the fact he was trying to get points taken off for bull**** low blows. Jones was past his best, but so was Joe. That was his last ever fight. Jones was still in the lower part of the top ten at the time. So the Camacho/Leonard comparison doesn't match up by the fact that Camacho was the much fresher fighter. Leonard had been away from the ring for years whereas Jones hadn't.

    McClellan was in his absolute prime. What are talking about? The others were pretty much prime as well and world class when Benn fought them. I did include Wiliams on the bases that he fought Toney a few fights later and beat him, only to get a bogus draw.

    Calling Naz a B level fighter is some of the ******est s5it I've ever seen. B level fighters get 1/2 good wins in their entire career and nothing else. Naz had a whole heap of good wins or better. Losing to a great Like Barrera isn't a bad thing, it happens. So many greats throughout history have lost to much lesser fighters than Barrera.

    I had it 6 rounds a piece in the Collazo fight, but Hatton coming out with the 1 point win due to the knock down. It was a razor thin win but Hatton eeked it out. Hatton just found he wasn't a Welter. Philips was still a top 10 world level fighter at the time. He'd just lost a decision to the number 1 in the division in Mitchell by a couple of points so was still legit. Hatton dominated and beat him up. Hatton would have done the same the Sharmba, but he wanted nothing to do with the fight. That's another in a long line of Americans ducking our fighters.

    Paulie is right behind Hamed? Please tell me that was a joke? They're worlds apart. Naz is so much greater than Paulie could ever dream of. It's like me comparing Mike Tyson and Henry Cooper.

    AJ is the b1tch even though he's giving Wilder a cut no huge A side has ever given to a weak B side before? Given a rematch clause to a weak B side that hasn't been done before. Giving into Wilder by fighting on US soil. And yet Deontay STILL won't fight him. AJ has fought the best from pretty much the get go and is willing to give extreme contracts just to get the fights on but the cowards still won't fight. AJ is the one putting it out there. Wilder is the b1tch. To think of it any other way would be bare faced lies and delusion.

    Porter may not be the prettiest to watch, but he is a good fighter. He's beaten Broner, Alexander, Garcia and should have got the decision over Thurman. To claim he isn't world class is again very ******. Ugly to watch, sure. But very much world class.

    Porter, Jacobs, Thurman, Hooker have all beaten a good fighter, so they're legit world class. The others haven't beaten a single world class fighter so you're right about those.

    What about Crawford and his ****ty worthless resume of a midget in Gamboa and Postal with the rest being complete bums? You think he's an A fighter but Naz is a B level dude? Crawford will never match Naz's greatness in resume or star power. He won't come close. If Naz is B level, Crawford is a Z level fighter.

    Spence hasn't beaten anyone either. All he has is a badly weight drained Brook who had a bad injury. Spence didn't win a single round on my card through the first 6. I had 1 even, but that's about as good as I could do for him. It wasn't until Brook badly gassed out from making weight did Spence really come into the fight. Even the other eye went from a headbutt, not a punch. Can't give much credit for that. If Brook didn't have those problems, we wouldn't be talking about Spence right now. He would have been just another hypejob that got exposed. Spence should be thankful to Brook for making it easy for him. As for the Garcia win. Hell to the no. That was worth even less. So Spence still has to prove himself.

    But yeah, we beat you most of the time. There's no way round that.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Sid-Knee View Post
      All the wins I listed apart from the Martin and Brezeale wins are good fighters. To think otherwise doesn't make you much of a fan. Most don't go on the be HOF's. They're just good, solid world class fighters. Nearly every world class fighter is good apart from the select few who rise above them. But the HOF's resumes are filled with mostly good fighters and not great ones. To deny them would leave every great in history with only a few wins or none at all.

      It was close against Hopkins, but Joe won. Hopkins came to make it ugly and that's what we got. But Joe pulled through. Hopkins knew he lost by the fact he was trying to get points taken off for bull**** low blows. Jones was past his best, but so was Joe. That was his last ever fight. Jones was still in the lower part of the top ten at the time. So the Camacho/Leonard comparison doesn't match up by the fact that Camacho was the much fresher fighter. Leonard had been away from the ring for years whereas Jones hadn't.

      McClellan was in his absolute prime. What are talking about? The others were pretty much prime as well and world class when Benn fought them. I did include Wiliams on the bases that he fought Toney a few fights later and beat him, only to get a bogus draw.

      Calling Naz a B level fighter is some of the ******est s5it I've ever seen. B level fighters get 1/2 good wins in their entire career and nothing else. Naz had a whole heap of good wins or better. Losing to a great Like Barrera isn't a bad thing, it happens. So many greats throughout history have lost to much lesser fighters than Barrera.

      I had it 6 rounds a piece in the Collazo fight, but Hatton coming out with the 1 point win due to the knock down. It was a razor thin win but Hatton eeked it out. Hatton just found he wasn't a Welter. Philips was still a top 10 world level fighter at the time. He'd just lost a decision to the number 1 in the division in Mitchell by a couple of points so was still legit. Hatton dominated and beat him up. Hatton would have done the same the Sharmba, but he wanted nothing to do with the fight. That's another in a long line of Americans ducking our fighters.

      Paulie is right behind Hamed? Please tell me that was a joke? They're worlds apart. Naz is so much greater than Paulie could ever dream of. It's like me comparing Mike Tyson and Henry Cooper.

      AJ is the b1tch even though he's giving Wilder a cut no huge A side has ever given to a weak B side before? Given a rematch clause to a weak B side that hasn't been done before. Giving into Wilder by fighting on US soil. And yet Deontay STILL won't fight him. AJ has fought the best from pretty much the get go and is willing to give extreme contracts just to get the fights on but the cowards still won't fight. AJ is the one putting it out there. Wilder is the b1tch. To think of it any other way would be bare faced lies and delusion.

      Porter may not be the prettiest to watch, but he is a good fighter. He's beaten Broner, Alexander, Garcia and should have got the decision over Thurman. To claim he isn't world class is again very ******. Ugly to watch, sure. But very much world class.

      Porter, Jacobs, Thurman, Hooker have all beaten a good fighter, so they're legit world class. The others haven't beaten a single world class fighter so you're right about those.

      What about Crawford and his ****ty worthless resume of a midget in Gamboa and Postal with the rest being complete bums? You think he's an A fighter but Naz is a B level dude? Crawford will never match Naz's greatness in resume or star power. He won't come close. If Naz is B level, Crawford is a Z level fighter.

      Spence hasn't beaten anyone either. All he has is a badly weight drained Brook who had a bad injury. Spence didn't win a single round on my card through the first 6. I had 1 even, but that's about as good as I could do for him. It wasn't until Brook badly gassed out from making weight did Spence really come into the fight. Even the other eye went from a headbutt, not a punch. Can't give much credit for that. If Brook didn't have those problems, we wouldn't be talking about Spence right now. He would have been just another hypejob that got exposed. Spence should be thankful to Brook for making it easy for him. As for the Garcia win. Hell to the no. That was worth even less. So Spence still has to prove himself.

      But yeah, we beat you most of the time. There's no way round that.
      Delusional bro..Y'all don't beat us more often lol.
      Facts
      My comparisons were about spot on..I guess its how you view history.
      We both know the sauce is over here lol. Don't fool yourself..
      I would reply more, but when you stated that spence should be thankful to Brook...lol stop. Any other topics you wish to discuss?

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      • #63
        Originally posted by BOXING-SCRIBE View Post
        Delusional bro..Y'all don't beat us more often lol.
        Facts
        My comparisons were about spot on..I guess its how you view history.
        We both know the sauce is over here lol. Don't fool yourself..
        I would reply more, but when you stated that spence should be thankful to Brook...lol stop. Any other topics you wish to discuss?
        If we don't beat you the vast majority of the time, then prove me wrong. I've given you a small list of wins for us to get it started. You can't claim something isn't true without backing it up. That doesn't make any sense. If you can't give me a list, why would you be under the impression that we don't beat you most of the time? Where are you actually getting these beliefs from?

        What is this sauce you're talking about? Money? Fighters?

        Brook was handling Spence no problems until he gassed. To view the fight any other way would just be pure lies and an incapability to score a fight correctly.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Sid-Knee View Post
          All the wins I listed apart from the Martin and Brezeale wins are good fighters. To think otherwise doesn't make you much of a fan. Most don't go on the be HOF's. They're just good, solid world class fighters. Nearly every world class fighter is good apart from the select few who rise above them. But the HOF's resumes are filled with mostly good fighters and not great ones. To deny them would leave every great in history with only a few wins or none at all.

          It was close against Hopkins, but Joe won. Hopkins came to make it ugly and that's what we got. But Joe pulled through. Hopkins knew he lost by the fact he was trying to get points taken off for bull**** low blows. Jones was past his best, but so was Joe. That was his last ever fight. Jones was still in the lower part of the top ten at the time. So the Camacho/Leonard comparison doesn't match up by the fact that Camacho was the much fresher fighter. Leonard had been away from the ring for years whereas Jones hadn't.

          McClellan was in his absolute prime. What are talking about? The others were pretty much prime as well and world class when Benn fought them. I did include Wiliams on the bases that he fought Toney a few fights later and beat him, only to get a bogus draw.

          Calling Naz a B level fighter is some of the ******est s5it I've ever seen. B level fighters get 1/2 good wins in their entire career and nothing else. Naz had a whole heap of good wins or better. Losing to a great Like Barrera isn't a bad thing, it happens. So many greats throughout history have lost to much lesser fighters than Barrera.

          I had it 6 rounds a piece in the Collazo fight, but Hatton coming out with the 1 point win due to the knock down. It was a razor thin win but Hatton eeked it out. Hatton just found he wasn't a Welter. Philips was still a top 10 world level fighter at the time. He'd just lost a decision to the number 1 in the division in Mitchell by a couple of points so was still legit. Hatton dominated and beat him up. Hatton would have done the same the Sharmba, but he wanted nothing to do with the fight. That's another in a long line of Americans ducking our fighters.

          Paulie is right behind Hamed? Please tell me that was a joke? They're worlds apart. Naz is so much greater than Paulie could ever dream of. It's like me comparing Mike Tyson and Henry Cooper.

          AJ is the b1tch even though he's giving Wilder a cut no huge A side has ever given to a weak B side before? Given a rematch clause to a weak B side that hasn't been done before. Giving into Wilder by fighting on US soil. And yet Deontay STILL won't fight him. AJ has fought the best from pretty much the get go and is willing to give extreme contracts just to get the fights on but the cowards still won't fight. AJ is the one putting it out there. Wilder is the b1tch. To think of it any other way would be bare faced lies and delusion.

          Porter may not be the prettiest to watch, but he is a good fighter. He's beaten Broner, Alexander, Garcia and should have got the decision over Thurman. To claim he isn't world class is again very ******. Ugly to watch, sure. But very much world class.

          Porter, Jacobs, Thurman, Hooker have all beaten a good fighter, so they're legit world class. The others haven't beaten a single world class fighter so you're right about those.

          What about Crawford and his ****ty worthless resume of a midget in Gamboa and Postal with the rest being complete bums? You think he's an A fighter but Naz is a B level dude? Crawford will never match Naz's greatness in resume or star power. He won't come close. If Naz is B level, Crawford is a Z level fighter.

          Spence hasn't beaten anyone either. All he has is a badly weight drained Brook who had a bad injury. Spence didn't win a single round on my card through the first 6. I had 1 even, but that's about as good as I could do for him. It wasn't until Brook badly gassed out from making weight did Spence really come into the fight. Even the other eye went from a headbutt, not a punch. Can't give much credit for that. If Brook didn't have those problems, we wouldn't be talking about Spence right now. He would have been just another hypejob that got exposed. Spence should be thankful to Brook for making it easy for him. As for the Garcia win. Hell to the no. That was worth even less. So Spence still has to prove himself.

          But yeah, we beat you most of the time. There's no way round that.

          Why did you write all that?

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Pigeons View Post
            Why did you write all that?
            I was replying to another poster and wanted to get in everything I wanted to say. It's long as hell, but hey, what can you do?

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            • #66
              We love ******s....said nobody ever

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