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  • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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    #31
    Originally posted by KTFOKING
    To me, it's not even the Charlo KO. He walked right into that shot and he was caught cold. Sh^t happens, but he got dropped early in his career against a journeymen. That is more worrisome IMO.

    Jack got caught cold in round one but he proved his chin was good enough at the top level. So if Lubin does the same, he's going to be extremely difficult to beat. His offensive arsenal is better than anyone else's in the division. The way he is able to put together his combinations are top notch. Was a damn good amateur as well so he has good pedigree there.
    Hopefully he can pull a Badou Jack and rejuvenate his career. I actually wrote Jack off after his KO loss, I’ve picked against him so many times and he’s proved me wrong. Even if he didn’t get the actual decision...

    He evidently wasn’t ready for the Charlo matchup, he was only like 21/22 I think. In hindsight, they should’ve let him develop longer.

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      #32
      Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
      Hopefully he can pull a Badou Jack and rejuvenate his career. I actually wrote Jack off after his KO loss, I’ve picked against him so many times and he’s proved me wrong. Even if he didn’t get the actual decision...

      He evidently wasn’t ready for the Charlo matchup, he was only like 21/22 I think. In hindsight, they should’ve let him develop longer.
      You know, even the betting odds were less than 2 to 1 for that fight in favor of Charlo. I'm not convinced the fight happened too early for Lubin. He just got caught cold early on and couldn't recover. But maybe with more experience he has less jitters? That's certainly possible. I think by early 2020 he will be right in the hunt for a title shot.

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        #33
        Originally posted by KTFOKING
        You know, even the betting odds were less than 2 to 1 for that fight in favor of Charlo. I'm not convinced the fight happened too early for Lubin. He just got caught cold early on and couldn't recover. But maybe with more experience he has less jitters? That's certainly possible. I think by early 2020 he will be right in the hunt for a title shot.
        I think the occasion got to him a little, he looked quite passive in round 1. Didn’t look establish control of the fight. It was so short though it’s hard to tell.
        A couple of stiff tests this year then he should be ready to go again in 2020.

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        • alexguiness
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          #34
          Liam Smith is basically a European level guy who got very lucky with a Paper title and a payday against Canelo.

          Not taking anything away from him, but he just is not that good.

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            #35
            umm...Munguia beat you easily

            odds are he IS better than you

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              #36
              Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
              I think the occasion got to him a little, he looked quite passive in round 1. Didn’t look establish control of the fight. It was so short though it’s hard to tell.
              A couple of stiff tests this year then he should be ready to go again in 2020.
              Ishe Smith actually told him something he similar. He said watching film on Lubin, he sees a dominant fighter who sets the tone from round one but against Charlo he didn't see that same confidence. Lubin actually agreed with him saying I lay out my territory real early in fights but against Charlo he was a bit hesitant. Mentally he seems to be getting it though which is the most important thing when you get sparked out in round one like that. It could break fighters for good but Lubin has a good team around him. Real curious to see who they face him with next.

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                #37
                Originally posted by KTFOKING
                Ishe Smith actually told him something he similar. He said watching film on Lubin, he sees a dominant fighter who sets the tone from round one but against Charlo he didn't see that same confidence. Lubin actually agreed with him saying I lay out my territory real early in fights but against Charlo he was a bit hesitant. Mentally he seems to be getting it though which is the most important thing when you get sparked out in round one like that. It could break fighters for good but Lubin has a good team around him. Real curious to see who they face him with next.
                Yeah I seen that convo with Ishe. Great to hear an experienced vet giving wisdom to a younger cat. Smith talked a lot of sense.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
                  Yeah I seen that convo with Ishe. Great to hear an experienced vet giving wisdom to a younger cat. Smith talked a lot of sense.
                  And I liked how Lubin was soaking all that knowledge in. He didn't look at Smith as some dude he just whooped and was too good to hear what he had to say, but he was all eyes and ears. Lubin took what Smith said to heart and he will take that with him the rest of his career.

                  Who would you pick between him and Castano if they fight next?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by KTFOKING
                    And I liked how Lubin was soaking all that knowledge in. He didn't look at Smith as some dude he just whooped and was too good to hear what he had to say, but he was all eyes and ears. Lubin took what Smith said to heart and he will take that with him the rest of his career.

                    Who would you pick between him and Castano if they fight next?
                    I’d probably pick Lubin by a close decision but it’s a 50/50 fight IMO, wouldn’t surprise me at all if Castano was too much for him. Castano is a very seasoned fighter, he beat guys like Spence and Derevyanchenko in the amateurs and has looked good as a pro thus far.
                    Kevin Cunningham is very keen on him fighting Castano next though, so he must see something Lubin can exploit. Good fight.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
                      I’d probably pick Lubin by a close decision but it’s a 50/50 fight IMO, wouldn’t surprise me at all if Castano was too much for him. Castano is a very seasoned fighter, he beat guys like Spence and Derevyanchenko in the amateurs and has looked good as a pro thus far.
                      Kevin Cunningham is very keen on him fighting Castano next though, so he must see something Lubin can exploit. Good fight.
                      He probably thinks Lubin will be able to get his combos off and will be able to counter him, but Castano is very physical. He has a very good win over Soro and could have gotten the nod over Lara. Definitely would be a statement if Lubin is able to beat him.

                      Again though, the chin needs to be decent enough to deal with the top notch LMWs.

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