Numbers don’t lie. Money talks. AJ is the A Side.

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  • chaosisme
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    #11
    Originally posted by Eff Pandas
    Of course Joshua is the A side & no one not fanboying for Wilder is even saying otherwise.

    But you are making a false equation by saying Joshua is the A side so 50/50 isn't doable.

    You can get whatever the best cut you can get from the A side as the B side. There's no hard rules with A side, B side sh^t like that.

    Look no further than Charles Martin who wasn't the A side to Joshua but got f#cking PAID for his fight with him. Hearn overpaid to be able to lift that belt off of him. This sh^t is way more complicated, there are far too many variables in play & you can always hold out for your true value, whatever you think that is, til the other guy bends for one reason or another.

    And personnally I say when a guy has a belt &/or is #2 in the world even if you are #1 & got a belt the other guy has leverage if you legit wanna be The Champ with no dispute.

    Plus the reality is for both guys this is gonna be a career high payday so Wilder has added leverage for that reason.

    But mainly my point is A side doesn't = A side gets x % & the B side gets y %. Its just not that simple in a free market sports world like boxing is.
    Easy man. Take it easy, it's the internet. You're too cool of a dude to be getting wrapped up in this ******ation.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Eff Pandas
      Of course Joshua is the A side & no one not fanboying for Wilder is even saying otherwise.

      But you are making a false equation by saying Joshua is the A side so 50/50 isn't doable.

      You can get whatever the best cut you can get from the A side as the B side. There's no hard rules with A side, B side sh^t like that.

      Look no further than Charles Martin who wasn't the A side to Joshua but got f#cking PAID for his fight with him. Hearn overpaid to be able to lift that belt off of him. This sh^t is way more complicated, there are far too many variables in play & you can always hold out for your true value, whatever you think that is, til the other guy bends for one reason or another.

      And personnally I say when a guy has a belt &/or is #2 in the world even if you are #1 & got a belt the other guy has leverage if you legit wanna be The Champ with no dispute.

      Plus the reality is for both guys this is gonna be a career high payday so Wilder has added leverage for that reason.

      But mainly my point is A side doesn't = A side gets x % & the B side gets y %. Its just not that simple in a free market sports world like boxing is.
      Exactly. We won't always see fighters get what they deserve but they will always get what they can negotiate.

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        #13
        Originally posted by GAME OVER
        Why are we still dis*****g this?

        50/50 isn’t viable.
        Agree completely. But the back story can't be ignored. Wilder was jerked around, bent over backwards, agreed to a ridiculous flat fee, and then Hearn swerved him and still wouldn't do the fight.

        Then Wilder said **** this, I'm never doing the fight unless it's 50/50.

        At that point, it's up to Wilder to raise his profile and try to make himself worth 50/50. So that's what he's doing. He sought out Fury and the fight raised his stock in a major way. Now he's seeking out Klitschko. A fight that would raise his stock in a major way.

        Wilder decided to stop being a punk and stop begging for a fight Hearn wasn't willing to do. Now Hearn is the one begging. Good for Wilder.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Eff Pandas
          Of course Joshua is the A side & no one not fanboying for Wilder is even saying otherwise.

          But you are making a false equation by saying Joshua is the A side so 50/50 isn't doable.

          You can get whatever the best cut you can get from the A side as the B side. There's no hard rules with A side, B side sh^t like that.

          Look no further than Charles Martin who wasn't the A side to Joshua but got f#cking PAID for his fight with him. Hearn overpaid to be able to lift that belt off of him. This sh^t is way more complicated, there are far too many variables in play & you can always hold out for your true value, whatever you think that is, til the other guy bends for one reason or another.

          And personnally I say when a guy has a belt &/or is #2 in the world even if you are #1 & got a belt the other guy has leverage if you legit wanna be The Champ with no dispute.

          Plus the reality is for both guys this is gonna be a career high payday so Wilder has added leverage for that reason.

          But mainly my point is A side doesn't = A side gets x % & the B side gets y %. Its just not that simple in a free market sports world like boxing is.
          Hearn overpaid Martin as an investment

          Giving Wilder 50/50 isn't an investment, it's not like there's "bigger fights to come"

          AJ vs Wilder or fury is going to be his peak earning fight of his career, so of course he doesn't want to give away millions to the b side

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            #15
            Originally posted by earl-hickey
            Giving Wilder 50/50 isn't an investment, it's not like there's "bigger fights to come"
            If Wilder is the biggest fight possible, maybe they need to show some respect to Wilder's broadcaster and put one of the two fights on Wilder's platform instead of expecting both fights to be on DAZN.

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              #16
              Originally posted by GAME OVER
              Why are we still dis*****g this?

              50/50 isn’t viable.
              It's surprising this debate is still going on. Just shows how illiterate boxing fans are regarding business. Come on guys, Wilder fights before 5000 people and his biggest fight could not even sell. So on what basis does he claim 50-50? You only eat what you kill? Just see how much he has grossed in revenue then compare that with what AJ brings. Somehow Wilder thinks if he makes noise that makes him 50-50. He just doesn't want the fight and he will regret because he is getting knocked out soon. He was lucky to survive Ortiz because of some corruption but he won't be so lucky next time. Interviewers need to know how to ask questions not let Wilder just say rubbish.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Bobby Shaw
                It's surprising this debate is still going on. Just shows how illiterate boxing fans are regarding business. Come on guys, Wilder fights before 5000 people and his biggest fight could not even sell. So on what basis does he claim 50-50? You only eat what you kill? Just see how much he has grossed in revenue then compare that with what AJ brings. Somehow Wilder thinks if he makes noise that makes him 50-50. He just doesn't want the fight and he will regret because he is getting knocked out soon. He was lucky to survive Ortiz because of some corruption but he won't be so lucky next time. Interviewers need to know how to ask questions not let Wilder just say rubbish.





                And he's still going on about 50/50!

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by GAME OVER
                  Schwartz is known as a fearsome opponent who doesn’t hold back, so you might be right.
                  Wtf you talking about? Go watch his fights, Gashi destroyed him.

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                    #19
                    difference is wilder is a huge ppv star. wilder-breazele will easily do a million buys

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by daggum
                      difference is wilder is a huge ppv star. wilder-breazele will easily do a million buys
                      As proven by showtime refusing to put it on ppv.

                      Stop being deluded.

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