Looking at the top P4Ps in detail

[restless_438]

this is mostly in response to El Temible, but i'd like everyone to give it a look, it's one of those "facts don't lie" type of deals...

when has floyd ever even said its not margo im fighting what u got to remember is hes weighing his options up

spinks,mosley,ODLH,MAargo, all possible fights recently and has he ever said no its not margarito no so get a ****in clue about boxing before spoutin this bull**** you ****in nuthugger

I think your problem is you don't have a very good way of gaging time...

let's look at it deeper, with a few other top guys pound for pound in boxing today:

Manny Pacquiao 43-3-2 (33kos)
last fight? Oscar Larios with a record of 56-4-1.. wins a hard fought 12 round decision
before that? Erik Morales with a record of 48-3-0.. wins a 10th round TKO
before that? Hector Velazquez with a record of 42-10-2.. wins a 6th round TKO
all 3 fights within the last 11 months, less than a year

Winky Wright 50-3-1 (25kos)
last fight? Jermain Taylor with a record of 25-0-0.. fights to a hard fought draw with the previously undefeated champion, puts the first blemish on his record
before that? Sam Soliman with a record of 31-7-0.. fights to another unanimous decision
before that? Felix Trinidad with a record of 42-1-0.. fight a dominating fight, easily winning all 12 rounds to finalize Trinidad's career
all 3 of these within the last 14 months, a little more than a year

Marco Antonio Barrera 62-4-0 (42kos)
last fight? Rocky Juarez with a record of 25-1-0.. fights to a tough split decision win and agrees to a rematch coming in Sept
before that? Robbie Peden with a record of 25-2-0.. fights to a unanimous decision
before that? Mzonke Fana with a record of 22-2-0.. wins by KO in the 2nd round, and lets not forget the fight before this one where Barrera went up 2-1 on Erik Morales
all 3 were within the last 15 months, a little more than a month

now, on to Floyd Mayweather 36-0-0 (24kos)
last fight? Zab Judah with a record of 34-3-0.. Judah, coming off a loss to 41-9-6 Baldomir, fights with Judah to a 12 round decision
before that? Sharmba Mitchell with a record of 56-4-0.. wins by TKO in the 6th
before that? Arturo Gatti with a record of 39-6-0.. outboxes the slugger to win a TKO in the 6th
now, these 3 fight were within the last 14 months, one less than Barrera, same timeframe as Winky, and 3 months more than Pacquiao..

now look at the competition of all 4 fighters accurately and tell me where everyone belongs in the pound for pound rankings (keep in mind P4P is supposed to be kept recent and up to date)...

[Guest]

Other than Winky, the other two lack this on their resumes:



Might sound harsh, but I honestly believe it's a factor. How else can you explain how BHop constantly held the position post-Jones, despite the fact that he was clearly slipping after the Joppy fight?

[amagnin]

From what I see there he and Pacquiao seem to have very similar resumes over the last 14 months. Remember, Larios is coming off of a loss and moving up 2 weight divisions. Morales (while no question a better fighter than Mitchell) was also coming off of a loss (to Raheem). Hector Velasquez is a tough fighter but I would rate Gatti as a better opponent. So I think that if we evaluate who looked better in those fights, I take PBF. On the other hand, Winky would be my #1 because he fought the best competition and performed excellently. #2 PBF. #3 Pacquiao. #4 MAB (as he looked very beatable against Juarez).

[restless_438]

Other than Winky, the other two lack this on their resumes:



Might sound harsh, but I honestly believe it's a factor. How else can you explain how BHop constantly held the position post-Jones, despite the fact that he was clearly slipping after the Joppy fight?

well, i can most-likely agree with that in part, but it's not what i'm trying to argue here.. all i'm saying is that it's time for Mayweather to stand up and make some moves.

[PATO 1]

dont you think if it was up2 floyd he would have fought mosley,cotto,hatton

they have all turned him down so what can he do

[Guest]

Yeah, I hear you brother, I did go a bit off topic there.

P4P frustrates me though, because while it's fun, a lot of people take it so seriously. You get some guys on here saying stuff like "Floyd is P4P No.1, so why isn't he The Man in his division?" like a bunch of boxing journalists predicting you might win a fight is more important than fights you actually have won. Bizarre.

How reliable is it anyway? Only one Ring writer had Joe Calzaghe in their top 10 on March 25th. Come March 26th and he's right in there. How many more Calzaghes are there out there?

[restless_438]

From what I see there he and Pacquiao seem to have very similar resumes over the last 14 months. Remember, Larios is coming off of a loss and moving up 2 weight divisions. Morales (while no question a better fighter than Mitchell) was also coming off of a loss (to Raheem). Hector Velasquez is a tough fighter but I would rate Gatti as a better opponent. So I think that if we evaluate who looked better in those fights, I take PBF. On the other hand, Winky would be my #1 because he fought the best competition and performed excellently. #2 PBF. #3 Pacquiao. #4 MAB (as he looked very beatable against Juarez).

Tell me your not comparing the likes of Sharmba Mitchell and Arturo Gatti with Oscar Larios and Erik Morales (while we know how good Morales is, Larios, whose only two recent losses came from Manny and 122 champ Israel Vazquez, before that winning 17 in a row, including Vazquez previously in 2002)

[restless_438]

How reliable is it anyway? Only one Ring writer had Joe Calzaghe in their top 10 on March 25th. Come March 26th and he's right in there. How many more Calzaghes are there out there?

given it's almost ALWAYS a matter of opinion, but that in part is what makes it fun and debatable (see here)

[amagnin]

No I already said I wasn't comparing Mitchell to Morales, I was just commenting that both were coming off of losses. On the other hand I do see Arturo Gatti fighting at the weight he won a title at as more dangerous than Larios coming off of a loss and gaining 15 pounds. Larios performed courageously and did very well, but should we credit Larios or discredit Manny. On the flip side I choose to credit Floyd with making Gatti look pedestrian. A better sign will be after Gatti-Baldomir to see how much Gatti has left.

[restless_438]

No I already said I wasn't comparing Mitchell to Morales, I was just commenting that both were coming off of losses. On the other hand I do see Arturo Gatti fighting at the weight he won a title at as more dangerous than Larios coming off of a loss and gaining 15 pounds. Larios performed courageously and did very well, but should we credit Larios or discredit Manny. On the flip side I choose to credit Floyd with making Gatti look pedestrian. A better sign will be after Gatti-Baldomir to see how much Gatti has left.

good points on your end.. i have to defend Larios a great deal because it seems not enough people give him credit