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  • ShaneMosleySr
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    The top heavyweights aren’t ducking

    Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder aren’t ducking one another.

    They’re all doing what’s best for their individual careers and bank accounts.

    Anyone who accuses any of these individual fighters of ducking are simply ignoring the facts.

    Tyson Fury’s immediate rematch with Wilder was put on ice after Fury signed a deal that was rumored to be for five fights and $80 million dollars with ESPN and Top Rank. That deal doesn’t have Joshua or Wilder attached to it. So why would he rush into those fights? He stands to make more money fighting those two later in his career.

    His monetary demands for both the Joshua and Wilder fights are also logical. He feels he’s the lineal champion and has reason too. He beat Klitschko before Joshua did and in more convincing fashion. There’s also a lot of people who believe he beat Wilder even though that fight ended in a draw. So wanting 50-50 splits on those fights seems reasonable and logical to me.

    I also have a hard time believing Fury would duck anyone when he’s fought Wladimir Klitschko and Wilder. Especially when the Wilder fight was his third fight back from a long layoff.

    Joshua’s deal with DAZN was a massive one that dwarfed what HBO offered and also beat Showtime’s offered deal. That deal doesn’t have Fury or Wilder attached to it, so why would he rush into it? He stands to make more money if he fights those two later in his career.

    His monetary demands for both fights also seems logical. He’s the biggest draw of the three and has the majority of the world titles, so wanting 60-percent of the cut isn’t outrageous and seems reasonable and logical to me.

    I also have a hard time believing he wants to duck anyone when he fought Klitschko.

    Wilder’s deal with Showtime is rumored to be as much or more than what DAZN offered (that’s what Shelly Finkel said at least) and that’s without having fights against Fury or Joshua attached to it. So why would Wilder rush into those fights? He stands to make more money fighting those two later in his career.

    His monetary demands for both fights also seem logical. He’s the longest reigning champion of the two, has the prettiest record and brings the American market into play. Wanting a 50-50 split with Joshua isn’t unreasonable because of that. And since the first fight with Fury ended in a draw and he retained his title, wanting that same 55-45 split that happened the first time isn’t unreasonable either.

    I also have a hard time believing Wilder would duck anyone when he’s fought Luis Ortiz and Fury in his last two fights.

    What we have are three heavyweights who could reasonably be placed in any order 1-3 on top of the division. We have a great debate about who’s the best because there isn’t a solid answer. All three have a legitimate argument for being the best. We have three fighters who are all making reasonable demands to fight each other, who will gladly fight someone else instead of taking reduced deals. That’s because they’ll probably win fights against anyone else, make even more money, improve their positioning in negotiations and put the fights against the other heavyweight champs in higher demand.

    Unfortunately, none of these fighters need each other yet and are all standing their ground because of it. Boxing needs them to fight each other as soon as possible and we all want them to figure it out and fight each other as soon as possible. But they just don’t need to do it. So maybe instead of pointing fingers, placing blame and arguing amongst ourselves, we can all respect them, one another and just hope these fights happen.

    Until then, keep debating... I guess.
  • sugarsmosley
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    #2
    I actually prefer for them to not fight each other. That way they can make easy money fighting against bums/walmart greeters. Boxing fans should just shut off their brains and pretend their opponents are each other.

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    • giant_king
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      #3
      No one ducking no one really it's all about the money issue.deontay been the most braver of them all taking on to good roid cheats and coming on top

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      • MPX309
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        Yeah man, Wilder's done a suburb job of managing money hasn't he. Fighting his mandatory for probably 10m or more less than what he would have if he'd taken the DAZN deal.

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        • MastaBlasta
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          #5
          Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr
          Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder aren’t ducking one another.

          They’re all doing what’s best for their individual careers and bank accounts.

          Anyone who accuses any of these individual fighters of ducking are simply ignoring the facts.

          Tyson Fury’s immediate rematch with Wilder was put on ice after Fury signed a deal that was rumored to be for five fights and $80 million dollars with ESPN and Top Rank. That deal doesn’t have Joshua or Wilder attached to it. So why would he rush into those fights? He stands to make more money fighting those two later in his career.

          His monetary demands for both the Joshua and Wilder fights are also logical. He feels he’s the lineal champion and has reason too. He beat Klitschko before Joshua did and in more convincing fashion. There’s also a lot of people who believe he beat Wilder even though that fight ended in a draw. So wanting 50-50 splits on those fights seems reasonable and logical to me.

          I also have a hard time believing Fury would duck anyone when he’s fought Wladimir Klitschko and Wilder. Especially when the Wilder fight was his third fight back from a long layoff.

          Joshua’s deal with DAZN was a massive one that dwarfed what HBO offered and also beat Showtime’s offered deal. That deal doesn’t have Fury or Wilder attached to it, so why would he rush into it? He stands to make more money if he fights those two later in his career.

          His monetary demands for both fights also seems logical. He’s the biggest draw of the three and has the majority of the world titles, so wanting 60-percent of the cut isn’t outrageous and seems reasonable and logical to me.

          I also have a hard time believing he wants to duck anyone when he fought Klitschko.

          Wilder’s deal with Showtime is rumored to be as much or more than what DAZN offered (that’s what Shelly Finkel said at least) and that’s without having fights against Fury or Joshua attached to it. So why would Wilder rush into those fights? He stands to make more money fighting those two later in his career.

          His monetary demands for both fights also seem logical. He’s the longest reigning champion of the two, has the prettiest record and brings the American market into play. Wanting a 50-50 split with Joshua isn’t unreasonable because of that. And since the first fight with Fury ended in a draw and he retained his title, wanting that same 55-45 split that happened the first time isn’t unreasonable either.

          I also have a hard time believing Wilder would duck anyone when he’s fought Luis Ortiz and Fury in his last two fights.

          What we have are three heavyweights who could reasonably be placed in any order 1-3 on top of the division. We have a great debate about who’s the best because there isn’t a solid answer. All three have a legitimate argument for being the best. We have three fighters who are all making reasonable demands to fight each other, who will gladly fight someone else instead of taking reduced deals. That’s because they’ll probably win fights against anyone else, make even more money, improve their positioning in negotiations and put the fights against the other heavyweight champs in higher demand.

          Unfortunately, none of these fighters need each other yet and are all standing their ground because of it. Boxing needs them to fight each other as soon as possible and we all want them to figure it out and fight each other as soon as possible. But they just don’t need to do it. So maybe instead of pointing fingers, placing blame and arguing amongst ourselves, we can all respect them, one another and just hope these fights happen.

          Until then, keep debating... I guess.
          Excellent post!

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          • Robbie Barrett
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            Walking away from 100 mil and 120 mil deals to make 3 mil on Showtime is doing what's best for a bank account? GTFOH you ****** ****ing ******.

            You can try and pretend to be neutral and unbiased if you like. But your post says Wilder nuthugger all over it. Wilder is 100% ducking, it's so damn obvious.
            Last edited by Robbie Barrett; 03-24-2019, 09:18 PM.

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              Not enough credit is given to the promoters protecting their meal ticket. They make offers to the other fighters with everything in their own fighters favor. They make offers that if they take he fight they are obligated to fight for them for several fights. It is how the business works and has for ages. Back years ago there were like Arum and Don King and rarely did their fighters fight each other. I imagine the fans blamed the fighters for not fighting each back then too, but in hindsight we know it was the promoters that were to blame.
              Last edited by TBear; 03-24-2019, 09:34 PM.

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                #8
                Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr
                Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder aren’t ducking one another.

                They’re all doing what’s best for their individual careers and bank accounts.

                Anyone who accuses any of these individual fighters of ducking are simply ignoring the facts.

                Tyson Fury’s immediate rematch with Wilder was put on ice after Fury signed a deal that was rumored to be for five fights and $80 million dollars with ESPN and Top Rank. That deal doesn’t have Joshua or Wilder attached to it. So why would he rush into those fights? He stands to make more money fighting those two later in his career.

                His monetary demands for both the Joshua and Wilder fights are also logical. He feels he’s the lineal champion and has reason too. He beat Klitschko before Joshua did and in more convincing fashion. There’s also a lot of people who believe he beat Wilder even though that fight ended in a draw. So wanting 50-50 splits on those fights seems reasonable and logical to me.

                I also have a hard time believing Fury would duck anyone when he’s fought Wladimir Klitschko and Wilder. Especially when the Wilder fight was his third fight back from a long layoff.

                Joshua’s deal with DAZN was a massive one that dwarfed what HBO offered and also beat Showtime’s offered deal. That deal doesn’t have Fury or Wilder attached to it, so why would he rush into it? He stands to make more money if he fights those two later in his career.

                His monetary demands for both fights also seems logical. He’s the biggest draw of the three and has the majority of the world titles, so wanting 60-percent of the cut isn’t outrageous and seems reasonable and logical to me.

                I also have a hard time believing he wants to duck anyone when he fought Klitschko.

                Wilder’s deal with Showtime is rumored to be as much or more than what DAZN offered (that’s what Shelly Finkel said at least) and that’s without having fights against Fury or Joshua attached to it. So why would Wilder rush into those fights? He stands to make more money fighting those two later in his career.

                His monetary demands for both fights also seem logical. He’s the longest reigning champion of the two, has the prettiest record and brings the American market into play. Wanting a 50-50 split with Joshua isn’t unreasonable because of that. And since the first fight with Fury ended in a draw and he retained his title, wanting that same 55-45 split that happened the first time isn’t unreasonable either.

                I also have a hard time believing Wilder would duck anyone when he’s fought Luis Ortiz and Fury in his last two fights.

                What we have are three heavyweights who could reasonably be placed in any order 1-3 on top of the division. We have a great debate about who’s the best because there isn’t a solid answer. All three have a legitimate argument for being the best. We have three fighters who are all making reasonable demands to fight each other, who will gladly fight someone else instead of taking reduced deals. That’s because they’ll probably win fights against anyone else, make even more money, improve their positioning in negotiations and put the fights against the other heavyweight champs in higher demand.

                Unfortunately, none of these fighters need each other yet and are all standing their ground because of it. Boxing needs them to fight each other as soon as possible and we all want them to figure it out and fight each other as soon as possible. But they just don’t need to do it. So maybe instead of pointing fingers, placing blame and arguing amongst ourselves, we can all respect them, one another and just hope these fights happen.

                Until then, keep debating... I guess.

                1) Tyson Fury's deal with ESPN isn't worth £80m, and Bob Arum himself has stated that that's not the number. And, it's downright foolish to argue that Fury is locked into anywhere near that without Wilder and/or Joshua.

                2) Anthony Joshua doesn't have a deal with DAZN, and has made that clear since his deal with Showtime finished and Showtime settled the final options on the deal. Matchroom Sport has the deal with DAZN, allegedly for $1b over 8 years for something like 16 US dates and whatever UK dates they'd be interested in picking up. If Joshua had a deal, there would've been a signing ceremony for that, just like the rest of the signings.

                3) Deontay Wilder has explicitly said that he wasn't interested in a long-term deal anywhere just yet; he treasures the work that he's done with them, and isn't looking to leave anytime soon, but he's not stuck. Maybe Finkell was talking about the money for the Breazeale fight now being comparable to the other offers for the fight.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr
                  Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder aren’t ducking one another.

                  They’re all doing what’s best for their individual careers and bank accounts.

                  Anyone who accuses any of these individual fighters of ducking are simply ignoring the facts.

                  Tyson Fury’s immediate rematch with Wilder was put on ice after Fury signed a deal that was rumored to be for five fights and $80 million dollars with ESPN and Top Rank. That deal doesn’t have Joshua or Wilder attached to it. So why would he rush into those fights? He stands to make more money fighting those two later in his career.

                  His monetary demands for both the Joshua and Wilder fights are also logical. He feels he’s the lineal champion and has reason too. He beat Klitschko before Joshua did and in more convincing fashion. There’s also a lot of people who believe he beat Wilder even though that fight ended in a draw. So wanting 50-50 splits on those fights seems reasonable and logical to me.

                  I also have a hard time believing Fury would duck anyone when he’s fought Wladimir Klitschko and Wilder. Especially when the Wilder fight was his third fight back from a long layoff.

                  Joshua’s deal with DAZN was a massive one that dwarfed what HBO offered and also beat Showtime’s offered deal. That deal doesn’t have Fury or Wilder attached to it, so why would he rush into it? He stands to make more money if he fights those two later in his career.

                  His monetary demands for both fights also seems logical. He’s the biggest draw of the three and has the majority of the world titles, so wanting 60-percent of the cut isn’t outrageous and seems reasonable and logical to me.

                  I also have a hard time believing he wants to duck anyone when he fought Klitschko.

                  Wilder’s deal with Showtime is rumored to be as much or more than what DAZN offered (that’s what Shelly Finkel said at least) and that’s without having fights against Fury or Joshua attached to it. So why would Wilder rush into those fights? He stands to make more money fighting those two later in his career.

                  His monetary demands for both fights also seem logical. He’s the longest reigning champion of the two, has the prettiest record and brings the American market into play. Wanting a 50-50 split with Joshua isn’t unreasonable because of that. And since the first fight with Fury ended in a draw and he retained his title, wanting that same 55-45 split that happened the first time isn’t unreasonable either.

                  I also have a hard time believing Wilder would duck anyone when he’s fought Luis Ortiz and Fury in his last two fights.

                  What we have are three heavyweights who could reasonably be placed in any order 1-3 on top of the division. We have a great debate about who’s the best because there isn’t a solid answer. All three have a legitimate argument for being the best. We have three fighters who are all making reasonable demands to fight each other, who will gladly fight someone else instead of taking reduced deals. That’s because they’ll probably win fights against anyone else, make even more money, improve their positioning in negotiations and put the fights against the other heavyweight champs in higher demand.

                  Unfortunately, none of these fighters need each other yet and are all standing their ground because of it. Boxing needs them to fight each other as soon as possible and we all want them to figure it out and fight each other as soon as possible. But they just don’t need to do it. So maybe instead of pointing fingers, placing blame and arguing amongst ourselves, we can all respect them, one another and just hope these fights happen.

                  Until then, keep debating... I guess.
                  Could you put this into a audiobook for us please

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                  • Robbie Barrett
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                    Originally posted by NC Uppercut
                    Could you put this into a audiobook for us please
                    and file it under fiction on audible.

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