Wilder - The best fights takes time to marinate, it takes time to developing

[Cobra Curry]

This is the reason why boxing is losing out to MMA in the US. Wilder's career is like the blueprint for cynical manipulation of American boxing fans, from the padded, risk averse and cherry pick littered resume to the boasting of marination all with a view of milking every last cent from the fanbase.

One minute Wilder's talking about how desperate he is to unify and how one man one name is what he's all about, the next minute he's all about marination. The astonishing thing is how many suckers will rush to defend him and his team for it.

The worrying thing is upcoming prospects will look at this think "why should I take risky fights? If I sit on my 0 long enough, someone will throw me $100 million eventually".
Sad times.

[Holler]

wilder already tried to confront AJ right in the UK in front of AJs own fans.....hearn came out and said they wouldnt allow it and even called the BBC to make sure he couldnt



LOL

Have you still not grasped why?

Wilder wouldn't agree terms. If the next fight is signed then of course they'd have him in the ring, because they would have a fight to sell and every appearance / confrontation would help to do so.

If however you have a possible opponent who won't agree terms, wants more than you're prepared to offer and who you then provide a platform straight after Joshua's just defended his title then you're strengthening his case for more money and making it harder to set up an alternative fight, because all your customers have seen Wilder in the ring and want that fight instead.

If he'd agreed terms he'd have been in the ring. He wouldn't agree terms so they had no reason to give him that platform.

Very, very simple and nothing to do with the narrative you continue to trot out all this time later.

[Curt Henning]

Have you still not grasped why?

Wilder wouldn't agree terms. If the next fight is signed then of course they'd have him in the ring, because they would have a fight to sell and every appearance / confrontation would help to do so.

If however you have a possible opponent who won't agree terms, wants more than you're prepared to offer and who you then provide a platform straight after Joshua's just defended his title then you're strengthening his case for more money and making it harder to set up an alternative fight, because all your customers have seen Wilder in the ring and want that fight instead.

If he'd agreed terms he'd have been in the ring. He wouldn't agree terms so they had no reason to give him that platform.

Very, very simple and nothing to do with the narrative you continue to trot out all this time later.

hard to agree to terms with a guy that said "show me 50 mil and ill sign tomorrow" and then said "i wont sell my soul for 50 million"

hard to agree to terms with a guy that said "my fans dont determine my career" and said "you guys go train to fight wilder if you think its that easy"

then said "its gotta be in the UK for the fans" when his 50mil demand was met

yeah its hard to agree to terms with that guy....wilder was still willing to confront and build the fight....AJ called the protection agency!......then the next time when wilder decided not to bother to show up, since no deal was reached again, hearn ran around and ran his mouth "where are you wilder".....like a little kid at a recess who was standing right in front of the teacher after antagonizing a kid to hit him

LOL

[FinitoxDinamita]

What a joke. This dude thinks Joshua fight is like Floyd-Pacman or something..

Fighters should learn from Gamboa-Juanma. Too much marinating can spoil sht.

[Boksfan]

Screw you Wildher, you are a scumbag for stalling and making fans wait for undisputed! Let's all hope Breazeale knocks this coward out for the good of boxing!

[Holler]

hard to agree to terms with a guy that said "show me 50 mil and ill sign tomorrow" and then said "i wont sell my soul for 50 million"

hard to agree to terms with a guy that said "my fans dont determine my career" and said "you guys go train to fight wilder if you think its that easy"

then said "its gotta be in the UK for the fans" when his 50mil demand was met

yeah its hard to agree to terms with that guy....wilder was still willing to confront and build the fight....AJ called the protection agency!......then the next time when wilder decided not to bother to show up, since no deal was reached again, hearn ran around and ran his mouth "where are you wilder".....like a little kid at a recess who was standing right in front of the teacher after antagonizing a kid to hit him

LOL

Leave aside the question of how hard it was to agree terms, do you understand why until he did he was never going to get in that ring? That's the point I'm trying to get across here, not interested in arguing the other points, not interested in mocking Wilder or defending AJ etc. I just wanted to explain this one point to you and see if you understood?

[Holler]

The worrying thing is upcoming prospects will look at this think "why should I take risky fights? If I sit on my 0 long enough, someone will throw me $100 million eventually".
Sad times.

Yes indeed.

Sadly this approach is likely going to pay off and may as you say adversely affect the career choices of future boxers, at least inasmuch as the fans interests are concerned. The obsession with the undefeated status is a major blockage to the fights we want to see.

It may be that Wilder just isn't good enough to have taken any more risks than he did but if you want to know the reason why AJ made it so big so quickly in the UK it's because Hearn was prepared to take more calculated risks in the matchmaking than Team Wilder has ever dared. He's reaping the rewards now of course.

[Curt Henning]

Leave aside the question of how hard it was to agree terms, do you understand why until he did he was never going to get in that ring? That's the point I'm trying to get across here, not interested in arguing the other points, not interested in mocking Wilder or defending AJ etc. I just wanted to explain this one point to you and see if you understood?

yup...ok

so when wilder didnt show up the next time why did eddie run his mouth and taunt wilder "where are you wilder were here"...even though there was no deal in place then either?

i understand why eddie said THEY DID THAT the first time...it doesnt mean it has to be/should be done that way...i believe a guy should be allowed to confront whenever or wherever......it still makes a good spectacle

hearn wasnt being true to his previous statement....wilder was banned cause eddie said there was no deal...then know again there was no deal he taunted wilder...most likely because he knw his side was bearing the brunt of the "duck" talk at the time and he was trying to reverse course

[Razcal26]

This guy is a chump.

[Holler]

yup...ok

Thank you

so when wilder didnt show up the next time why did eddie run his mouth and taunt wilder "where are you wilder were here"...even though there was no deal in place then either?

i understand why eddie said THEY DID THAT the first time...it doesnt mean it has to be/should be done that way...i believe a guy should be allowed to confront whenever or wherever......it still makes a good spectacle

hearn wasnt being true to his previous statement....wilder was banned cause eddie said there was no deal...then know again there was no deal he taunted wilder...most likely because he knw his side was bearing the brunt of the "duck" talk at the time and he was trying to reverse course

So you need to review your memory of the time. Wilder wasn't banned from the event, he was booked to commentate for Sky tv and they had his hotels, cars etc all sorted. He made the unilateral decision not to come because he wasnt guaranteed to be in the ring afterwards. He missed the chance to talk directly to the UK ppv audience who may buy the fight in the future, to build awareness of him etc etc.

Wilder was never banned from the event, he was told he couldn't come in the ring without AJ's say so and if there was no fight to promote there was no point him being in the ring.

Again, if the fight was agreed then all parties would have an interest in him being in the ring. Until that point however AJ and Hearn would be damaging their own negotiating position by allowing Wilder in there.

It's that simple.