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  • Boxing4Real
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    Shut up about contract offers...

    This promoter said he'd pay Boxer A 5 million to fight Boxer B. blah blah blah. Enough.

    Unless someone has the actual documents scanned and shown, we do not really know the particulars of any of these contracts, ever. It is all from 2nd hand sources. We read it on these sites from reporters who talk to promoters, managers, etc. All of these people are very capable of lying, or at least leaving out information.

    Take Winky Wright vs Margarito. Winky was supposedly offered 4 million. But, we don't know if that means 4 million split between the two or 4 million for Wright. People automatically assume it means 4 million for Wright. Say it does. We don't know if Arum wanted ridiculous options on Wright, who clearly has no interest in signing with promoters since he has started his own promotion. Or he might not have offered any live gate, or there might have been a rematch clause for Margarito even though Winky would clearly be the favored fighter.

    This is a game promoters play. They make offers to fighters all the time that they know the fighters will refuse. Like when Jones and Hopkins were offered an insulting 1 million split supposedly. Or when Toney was supposedly offered just 1.5 million to fight Wladimir. Assuming those offers are true, those offers are made so promoters can say that the fighters turned them down.

    Arum's plan with Margarito is simple. He wants to build him up as this guy everyone is ducking. This way he can keep feeding bums like Gomez and Lujan to Margarito and can just say "everyone is ducking him." And most of the fans, too blind to see through the smoke screen, believe the hype.

    But this is not just with Margarito. This kind of thing happens all the time in boxing. Spinks obviously didn't really want to fight Zab Judah ever. But Judah took very low money, he called Spinks' and Kings bluff to get those fights made.

    But I got off topic a little. The point is unless we have the actual contracts in our hands or scanned into the computer for us to read, we really do not know what the terms are. I don't think the vast majority of fighters sit around ducking each other. I don't think Margarito is scared to fight people, but at the same time I don't think anybody is scared to fight him. Margarito is not being ducked, he is being protected. Arum is just using an old trick to make it look like Margarito is being ducked.
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    #2
    Blah blah blah...

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    • ferocity
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      #3
      Originally posted by Boxing4Real
      This promoter said he'd pay Boxer A 5 million to fight Boxer B. blah blah blah. Enough.

      Unless someone has the actual documents scanned and shown, we do not really know the particulars of any of these contracts, ever. It is all from 2nd hand sources. We read it on these sites from reporters who talk to promoters, managers, etc. All of these people are very capable of lying, or at least leaving out information.

      Take Winky Wright vs Margarito. Winky was supposedly offered 4 million. But, we don't know if that means 4 million split between the two or 4 million for Wright. People automatically assume it means 4 million for Wright. Say it does. We don't know if Arum wanted ridiculous options on Wright, who clearly has no interest in signing with promoters since he has started his own promotion. Or he might not have offered any live gate, or there might have been a rematch clause for Margarito even though Winky would clearly be the favored fighter.

      This is a game promoters play. They make offers to fighters all the time that they know the fighters will refuse. Like when Jones and Hopkins were offered an insulting 1 million split supposedly. Or when Toney was supposedly offered just 1.5 million to fight Wladimir. Assuming those offers are true, those offers are made so promoters can say that the fighters turned them down.

      Arum's plan with Margarito is simple. He wants to build him up as this guy everyone is ducking. This way he can keep feeding bums like Gomez and Lujan to Margarito and can just say "everyone is ducking him." And most of the fans, too blind to see through the smoke screen, believe the hype.

      But this is not just with Margarito. This kind of thing happens all the time in boxing. Spinks obviously didn't really want to fight Zab Judah ever. But Judah took very low money, he called Spinks' and Kings bluff to get those fights made.

      But I got off topic a little. The point is unless we have the actual contracts in our hands or scanned into the computer for us to read, we really do not know what the terms are. I don't think the vast majority of fighters sit around ducking each other. I don't think Margarito is scared to fight people, but at the same time I don't think anybody is scared to fight him. Margarito is not being ducked, he is being protected. Arum is just using an old trick to make it look like Margarito is being ducked.

      You clearly haven't seen the Arum iterviews or the video interview. Mayweather was supposed to get 8 million dollars plus ppv money with no obtions at all, same with Winky 4 million with no options. Mayweather is scared to fight Margarito, while it can be said Winky is just plain greedy and wants Mayweather type of money yet hes never made more then 4 million. These guys didn't even ask to look at a contract, why? Because no matter if the contract favored them -which is did- they still have no intentions of fighting Margarito. Is he being ducked? I belive so. You got both Mayweather and Winky asking for big money fights yet, here comes Margarito offering them millions and they turn the money away, doesn't make sense, since they have been calling for big money fights. And we have never heard from either Winky or Mayweather that the contract was unfair, cause as i said, they didn't even think twice of taking the Margarito fight.

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      • Boxing4Real
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        #4
        Originally posted by ferocity
        You clearly haven't seen the Arum iterviews or the video interview. Mayweather was supposed to get 8 million dollars plus ppv money with no obtions at all, same with Winky 4 million with no options. Mayweather is scared to fight Margarito, while it can be said Winky is just plain greedy and wants Mayweather type of money yet hes never made more then 4 million. These guys didn't even ask to look at a contract, why? Because no matter if the contract favored them -which is did- they still have no intentions of fighting Margarito. Is he being ducked? I belive so. You got both Mayweather and Winky asking for big money fights yet, here comes Margarito offering them millions and they turn the money away, doesn't make sense, since they have been calling for big money fights. And we have never heard from either Winky or Mayweather that the contract was unfair, cause as i said, they didn't even think twice of taking the Margarito fight.
        And you clearly didn't read my post, fool.

        Promoters lie. Bob Arum said? **** Bob Arum, he is a LIAR. He is a CHEAT. Did Bob Arum show contracts? Did you read them in full detail? I already know you didn't, since you couldn't even read my post.

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        • ferocity
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          #5
          Originally posted by Boxing4Real
          And you clearly didn't read my post, fool.

          Promoters lie. Bob Arum said? **** Bob Arum, he is a LIAR. He is a CHEAT. Did Bob Arum show contracts? Did you read them in full detail? I already know you didn't, since you couldn't even read my post.
          You know the same can be said about Mayweather or Pacquiao v. Morales where we havn't even seen the contract.

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          • Boxing4Real
            Don Omega
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            #6
            Originally posted by ferocity
            You know the same can be said about Mayweather or Pacquiao v. Morales where we havn't even seen the contract.
            That is 100% correct, the same can be said. We don't know. That's my whole point. People argue contracts but the truth is we really don't know because we haven't seen the contracts.

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            • Crazy Dude
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              #7
              Both sides can lie, and both sides can give their side of the story. If the issue is options, or if the quoted figure is going to be split two ways, or whatever, then the other party can just come out and say so.

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              • Boxing4Real
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                #8
                yeah but a lot of fighters dont want to discuss over the internet. its a tactic by promoters to try making their fighter look good and the other fighter look bad. only blind fools can't see this.

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                • eazy_mas
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                  #9
                  To build up a fighter based on lies.

                  Did when everyone ducked from Margarito? only in 2006 when he became famous for calling out Mayweather.


                  Here is something about promotor people call Don King a devil but what about Bob Arum, he just like don King but work differently.

                  Why should Arum give Mayweather 8mil and how to make it worth the match 8mil is by building up a hype.

                  Arum says that Mayweather is ducking Margarito. Margarito is getting all they spotlight and is giving him a bum that he could KO him in 10sec so people would say yes this guy is a monster, hooo look at him but actully maybe he is a B-Level fighter. Its easier for Arum to make a fight with Mayweather beacause he promotes both of them and get more money for himself then sharing it with another promoter. If Mayweather fought Margarito about two moneth after Zab fight there wont be much spotlight and people will consider that Mayweather is fighting just another normal fighter even though Margarito is capable of winning mayweather.

                  If I was Arum I would try to make the fight 8mil by building up the hype so it will be more exciting. When Mayweather accepte to fight Margarito people will say at last this scared guy is going o fight him he was ducking for so long now is our chance to watch him get beaten.

                  Everybody is waiting for Mayweather first loss and building that type of hype could bring an income more the 8mil for Arum.

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                  • Crazy Dude
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                    #10
                    If someone is making you look bad by lying then all they have to do to correct it is give their side of the story. It doesn't have to be on the internet they can give a press conference or mention it in an interview.
                    Last edited by Crazy Dude; 07-13-2006, 04:16 AM.

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