Comments Thread For: Wilder Manager: Too Much at Stake, These Fights Will Happen

[Scipio2009]

Hearn is AJ's promoter and they have a legally binding 3 year contract with each other.

That's nothing like how Haymon operates.

Anthony Joshua gets 80% of the proceeds from his fight after costs are covered. Whether he's got one person handling the promotion for him, or bouncing between promoters in individual markets, the fighter walking away with most of the take on the event has been Haymon's mom since his name came into the lexicon.

Matchroom doesn't dictate TV to Joshua, doesn't dictate sponsors to Joshua, and really don't dictate fights to Joshua.

How is it different from Deontay Wilder having a handshake deal to have Lou DiBella as his promoter for all 9 of his fights over the last 4 years, with that basically not changing with Wilder's own company on the marquee?

[MastaBlasta]

Hearn is AJ's promoter and they have a legally binding 3 year contract with each other.
That's nothing like how Haymon operates.

Why do you presume to know anything about how Haymon operates? You've been one of hs fighters? They all say they like how he operates in taking care of their business. You've had business with Haymon?

Nope. Just a mouth on a bulletin board that is maybe paid noise for hearn (if you're lucky).

[Scipio2009]

Nonsense. As usual from you. DAZN has a deal to pick up all matchroom fights including Joshua if they match what any other network in the US offers. Yet again Wilder fans are deflecting and trying to blame Joshua for Wilder turning down an 100 mil deal. Your boy is ducking. You know it.

If you have a source for that, I'd love for you to share it.

Because Joshua himself openly talked about being free to pursue broadcast rights wherever the best deal for him can be had, be it with Showtime, HBO, DAZN, or any broadcaster interested in him.

[Scipio2009]

Nonsense. As usual from you. DAZN has a deal to pick up all matchroom fights including Joshua if they match what any other network in the US offers. Yet again Wilder fans are deflecting and trying to blame Joshua for Wilder turning down an 100 mil deal. Your boy is ducking. You know it.

Wilder will have his first in May, Joshua will have his fight in June, and then a conversation will be had.

Either Joshua and Wilder make a deal on their superfight to close out 2019, or Joshua/Hearn get ready to play dueling wallets with the backers of Kubrat Pulev, his IBF mandatory (with the IBF giving Pulev 35% on a purse bid).

Time to fish or cut bait

[MastaBlasta]

If you have a source for that, I'd love for you to share it.

Because Joshua himself openly talked about being free to pursue broadcast rights wherever the best deal for him can be had, be it with Showtime, HBO, DAZN, or any broadcaster interested in him.

They said Wilder was ducking when he turned down 12.5 million. They refused to acknowledge it was an unworthy, lowball bid. I think they are paid to rattle the cage in hopes that Wilder's people will accept a bad business deal for the fight. Obviously that's not gonna happen now, so they're all just whining and name-calling. They'll feel better after a spanking. And they're upset that Wilder has played his hand and gotten more and better offers. Keep crying y'all!

[Scipio2009]

They must see it because they are actively trying to justify and reinforce it.

AJ should have accepted a $50million offer ... without any meetings and without knowing anything about the terms and conditions.

But Wilder shouldn't accept a $100million offer .... because it's very complicated and we haven't seen the fine print .. blah blah blah ...

AJ isn't a free agent, he has long term contracts with Matchroom and Sky. But that doesn't matter, the fight should go to the highest bidder ... blah blah blah ..

Wilder is a free agent, but he can't fight off Fox and ST because he's very loyal, and loyalty matters ...

AnthonyJoshua said "lol, $50m?! If you front me the $50m, I'll sign to fight tomorrow", or something to that effect. Wilder's camp came up with the money, Eddie Hearn confirmed that the offer was legit with Al Haymon, asked Joshua about it, and Joshua basically said "Nah, I'm good; I didn't really mean what I said there. Let's see if we can bring the fight to the UK".

If Wilder's camp is fronting the money, of course the right will go to the highest bidder. And, if Sky isn't the high bidder, there's no doubt in my mind that Joshua would be sold the UK rights as a match to the high bidder, with Joshua selling them as he sees fit (Sky bids $23n, BT Sport bids $25m for the high bid; Joshua buys the UK rights for $25m of his guarantee, sells the rights to Sky for $23m. Joshua gets hit a bit, but he gets the fight where he wanted it.

[Scipio2009]

Dude, 40mil for AJ and Wilder is overpaying both by miles.

Not if the fever catches it's not.
2m homes is $75m to split between them.

If it breaks beyond that, who knows where it'll end up.

Wilder's camp believed that Wilder-Joshua was a $100m fight Fall 2018 (honestly looking at it, I could see the take getting to over $70m without really having any idea that it'd go beyond that).

And the fight has gotten bigger since then; how much bigger who knows, but Wilder's camp seems to think they have an epic coming their way.

[Redgloveman]

I don’t really get this argument that some known Wilder fans are coming out with that goes:

“They said Wilder should have taken $12.5m but now look how bad of a deal that turned out to be”

Firstly, $12.5m is still significantly more than Wilder got fighting Fury on PPV and secondly if he beats AJ he would now be the biggest star in boxing and endorsements would be flooding in. HE would be in the position that Joshua is now in.

That’s already a huge amount of potential money he’s left behind by passing up the AJ fight and he’s only leaving more money behind every fight that he doesn’t fight Joshua for that mega-payday.

If anything, assuming Wilder doesn’t give us a good reason for rejecting the deal today, I think it really suggests the opposite line of thinking

I.e.
“Wilder is not going to fight AJ for any amount of money right now and never intended to fight him”

[Jax teller]

I don’t really get this argument that some known Wilder fans are coming out with that goes:

“They said Wilder should have taken $12.5m but now look how bad of a deal that turned out to be”

Firstly, $12.5m is still significantly more than Wilder got fighting Fury on PPV and secondly if he beats AJ he would now be the biggest star in boxing and endorsements would be flooding in. HE would be in the position that Joshua is now in.

That’s already a huge amount of potential money he’s left behind by passing up the AJ fight and he’s only leaving more money behind every fight that he doesn’t fight Joshua for that mega-payday.

If anything, assuming Wilder doesn’t give us a good reason for rejecting the deal today, I think it really suggests the opposite line of thinking

I.e.
“Wilder is not going to fight AJ for any amount of money right now and never intended to fight him”

Lol if he'd won he could have already made the rematch with AJ making what 30-40 mil as the A-Side and now be discussing a fight with Fury as the clear A-Side again with the American public making more than whatever he's currently being offered.

He'd probably be a bigger star than Canelo by now if he'd took the money, he's basically wasted a year thinking the AJ fight is gonna get 2 mil PPV's like he thought the Fury fight was.

[P4Pdunny]

So let's hurry up and get them made