Wasn’t aware of Victor Conte shady past

[Thuglife Nelo]

Dude, do you think promoters put a clause in the fight contracts regarding what would be allowed regarding every banned substance.

You’re not being specific! I told you about thresholds and the real world for reported adverse findings found in samples ALL THE TIME!

A team could submit a whole regiment and timepsan of supplements they used. It is investigated, and then there are referenced reports for said supplier having had a consistent case. Therefore, a fighter can’t be blamed for intentional use and it’s not disclosed. This is why WADA does not endorse supplement usage for the high risks of contamination. WADA is not saying an adverse finding means “cheating.”

You do realize a post fight adverse finding has completely different circumstances than an ultra low trace more than 80 days away. Like I said, in the cases of RJJ and Toney or any other historical post fight failure is completely different than far out months ala “out of competition.”

[travestyny]

You’re not being specific! I told you about thresholds and the real world for reported adverse findings found in samples ALL THE TIME!

A team could submit a whole regiment and timepsan of supplements they used. It is investigated, and then there are referenced reports for said supplier having had a consistent case. Therefore, a fighter can’t be blamed for intentional use and it’s not disclosed. This is why WADA does not endorse supplement usage for the high risks of contamination. WADA is not saying an adverse finding means “cheating.”

You do realize a post fight adverse finding has completely different circumstances than an ultra low trace more than 80 days away. Like I said, in the cases of RJJ and Toney or any other historical post fight failure is completely different than far out months ala “out of competition.”

Honestly, I'm not sure at all what you are trying to say. You're saying that a failed test is not disclosed depending on how far ahead of the fight the failure was?

That's certainly not true.

WADA has rules for in-competition and out of competition testing. These circumstances are all very specific and detailed. It is explained specifically what is prohibited in competition and out of competition.


Both VADA and USADA use the WADA labs. The WADA labs follow the WADA guidelines. A failed test is a failed test. Once there is a failure, it's up to the commission to figure out the penalty for the fighter. I don't see what the promoters have to do with this, other than damage control.

If supplements have a prohibited substance, then the athlete pops.

[chrisJS]

Why is it obvious that Ward was juiced because his body changed and he had acne...


but Marquez we should give the benefit of the doubt? That doesn't make sense to me.

Marquez was fighting a guy who'd most likely been juicing and was on it too so it evened out.

He's not given the benefit of the doubt.

[boxinggod101]

Mosley is my hero lmaoooo both of those bums got beat up by TBE especially crackhead Oscar

Oscar and Mosley and bums now? Cause they got beat by Floyd? Sorry I meant TBE

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

Oscar and Mosley and bums now? Cause they got beat by Floyd? Sorry I meant TBE

It’s just a word I use for everyone. Instead of calling them other names. You don’t have to apologize bro...........just get it right next time.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Honestly, I'm not sure at all what you are trying to say. You're saying that a failed test is not disclosed depending on how far ahead of the fight the failure was?
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No. Me detailing a post fight failure in high concentration from a case in the 90’s is not even remotely the same theory of “cheating” for an adverse finding 80 days away with an ultra low trace amount. Besides, you know advanced drug testing today wasn’t even implemented when Roy or Hall got caught.

Also, you know that an advanced drug testing agency can’t intervene what’s stipulated in contracts.

Take an inhouse promotional fight like PAC vs Marquez. You think Arum isn’t applying safety precautions and non disclosure in contracts? Again, USADA nor VaDA Can intervene with a contract by law, especially if they acknowledge what the fighters agreed to.

This is why I say there’s too much inconsistency with testing.

[travestyny]

No. Me detailing a post fight failure in high concentration from a case in the 90’s is not even remotely the same theory of “cheating” for an adverse finding 80 days away with an ultra low trace amount. Besides, you know advanced drug testing today wasn’t even implemented when Roy or Hall got caught.

I'm not sure why we are talking about the 90's and Roy Jones. His testing was in all likelihood done by the commission. It might not even have been a WADA lab and their standards.

Also, you know that an advanced drug testing agency can’t intervene what’s stipulated in contracts.

Bro. Contracts don't say that you are allowed to fail with a certain amount of a substance. I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up. Do you know what would happen if someone finds that in a contract???

Take an inhouse promotional fight like PAC vs Marquez. You think Arum isn’t applying safety precautions and non disclosure in contracts? Again, USADA nor VaDA Can intervene with a contract by law, especially if they acknowledge what the fighters agreed to.

This is why I say there’s too much inconsistency with testing.

Ah, you're trying to say that if a person fails, there will be a clause to keep it under wraps that the person failed? That could happen I suppose, but then no way the fight goes on.

It would make no sense. What would be the use of testing then? So you mean if they put that clause in Pac vs. Marquez, and let's say Pac fails, then no one is allowed to talk about it and Pac can give money to Marquez as per the contract and everything is dandy?

First of all, the failed test result would go to WADA because the WADA lab would be required to give it to them as per the rules that the WADA lab must follow as a signatory to WADA.

Second, it would be silly to agree to something like that, which basically means that both would be allowed to dope all they want. I seriously doubt they could cut the commission out of knowing this.

There is absolutely no way any commission would allow a fighter to test positive and still fight (unless it's a situations like Vargas). They have to ensure the safety of the fighters. That is simply not what happens. The testing is usually done by USADA or VADA nowadays, or it's done by the commission. Absolutely no way what you are saying happens happens. There are standards in place. If it does happen, then it happens illegally.

[Luilun]

First fighter to bring advanced testing to boxing. Madaina had loaded gloves and still lost. Don’t bring that cheater name up


TBE 50-0 he beat every immigrant he faced including the guy who was busted for Clenbuterol. 50-0 keep crying and deal with it.

TBE where Madaina and Castillo on this list lol!! Look at all these Hardworking Americans on the list.

Loaded gloves try pillow gloves you must be the CNN of bloggers

[THEFRESHBRAWLER]

Loaded gloves try pillow gloves you must be the CNN of bloggers

Madaina couldn’t knock out Devin Alexander and he got beat up by Devon Alexander and you thought he was going to knock Floyd out with those magical gloves. LMAO.


You must be the tmz of bloggers.

[Luilun]

Madaina couldn’t knock out Devin Alexander and he got beat up by Devon Alexander and you thought he was going to knock Floyd out with those magical gloves. LMAO.


You must be the tmz of bloggers.

Floyd got beat by Madaina that’s why he gave him a rematch only in pillow gloves though