Comments Thread For: Golovkin Wants The Best at 160 - With Or Without The Belts

[icha]

He was basically saying he would go to 154 for smaller guys like Floyd or Pac. But Cotto and Canelo are big enough and should come to 160. He would take his B side role to face Froch and Chavez Jr on their terms. But wasn't going to relinquish all negotiating power to Ward when Ward was the B side.

thats called cherry picking , so much for this avoided monster...

[Boxing_1013]

thats called cherry picking , so much for this avoided monster...

"He was basically saying he would go to 154 for smaller guys like Floyd or Pac. But Cotto and Canelo are big enough and should come to 160. He would take his B side role to face Froch and Chavez Jr on their terms. But wasn't going to relinquish all negotiating power to Ward when Ward was the B side." - me

You could probably make a case for any guy for cherry picking in their career. Floyd was probably the greatest boxer of this generation be he clearly was 'cherry picking' in his Money May days.

But what I described, that's not even cherry picking lol...just knowing your role as the A or B side. If I am B side, I come to you. If I am A side you come to me. Just good business.

Come on at least get y'alls insults right if you are going to try and slam someone. Again why GGG haters have very little credibility. So desperate to hate on him they don't even really care what the insult is or if it fits.

[DreamFighter]

"He was basically saying he would go to 154 for smaller guys like Floyd or Pac. But Cotto and Canelo are big enough and should come to 160. He would take his B side role to face Froch and Chavez Jr on their terms. But wasn't going to relinquish all negotiating power to Ward when Ward was the B side." - me

You could probably make a case for any guy for cherry picking in their career. Floyd was probably the greatest boxer of this generation be he clearly was 'cherry picking' in his Money May days.

But what I described, that's not even cherry picking lol...just knowing your role as the A or B side. If I am B side, I come to you. If I am A side you come to me. Just good business.

Come on at least get y'alls insults right if you are going to try and slam someone. Again why GGG haters have very little credibility. So desperate to hate on him they don't even really care what the insult is or if it fits.

if he says he'll face any from 154 to 168 he should get a move on,isnt he 37 this year?
Hes not done it once.

My actual su****ion is that he never said this andit was mistranslated, but someone might prove me wrong.

[icha]

"He was basically saying he would go to 154 for smaller guys like Floyd or Pac. But Cotto and Canelo are big enough and should come to 160. He would take his B side role to face Froch and Chavez Jr on their terms. But wasn't going to relinquish all negotiating power to Ward when Ward was the B side." - me

You could probably make a case for any guy for cherry picking in their career. Floyd was probably the greatest boxer of this generation be he clearly was 'cherry picking' in his Money May days.

But what I described, that's not even cherry picking lol...just knowing your role as the A or B side. If I am B side, I come to you. If I am A side you come to me. Just good business.

Come on at least get y'alls insults right if you are going to try and slam someone. Again why GGG haters have very little credibility. So desperate to hate on him they don't even really care what the insult is or if it fits.

they all cherrypick at some point, not a big deal as long as we accept it as it is...
by the way B side ggg wasnt willing to negotiate on weight with A+ side canelo... he aged him self instead... he prob got more money by doing it so...

[Boxing_1013]

they all cherrypick at some point, not a big deal as long as we accept it as it is...
by the way B side ggg wasnt willing to negotiate on weight with A+ side canelo... he aged him self instead... he prob got more money by doing it so...

True I think with Canelo you could make a real case that GGG should have gone down and met Canelo more on his terms, including weight, earlier. I don't think GGG would have budged on the weight for Canelo, I think it was personal to him for whatever reason; basically saying - we are the same size, we should meet at this weight.

But honestly I don't know if Canelo would have taken that fight then anyway, even if he got everything he wanted; just as May or Pac or Cotto wouldn't have wanted a fight with GGG (too much risk in every way and they could make more money fighting someone else), I think Canelo would have fought the same guys he fought over GGG because the money was still good for him and I just don't think Canelo really wanted the fight at that point. Similar imo to what Joshua has been doing with Wilder or even May initially with Pac. Wanted to make GGG wait a little bit and try and age him as you suggested.

I guess GGG and/or his team just felt Canelo had to come up to MW and fight at some point, and when he got there they knew he would have to fight GGG. And a fighter probably never really thinks he is going to get old so 'aging' probably didn't factor in to the GGG team's decision making. The 'being ducked' by Canelo angle I think helped GGG generate some buzz too so I think they liked playing that part of it up.

I personally see more or less the same GGG as I always have. Not necessarily the fastest, but still effectively quick and able to generally get off first with his positioning and jab. Not the hardest guy to hit but not really taking a ton of damage at this point either. I reserve the right to change my mind but I think he is aging fairly well, although for a fighter his age it could definitely happen overnight. Will be interested to see how he looks against the next couple guys.

I think his 'struggles' against Canelo and Jacobs were more the result of two game opponents who came in with very good game plans, a lot of heart, and they executed fairly well. Murray lasted 11 rounds with GGG, mainly by tying up a lot and making it hard for GGG to go to work as much as he wanted, so a couple guys who are a couple levels boxing wise above Murray going 12 rounds is probably to be expected if they fight smart.

Jacobs and Canelo (1st fight) tried to box and move and not really directly engage with GGG and just look for any openings possible. 2nd fight Canelo did that but also was a little more aggressive in taking the fight to GGG at times.

I know of a lot of GGG fans blame any 'failures' he has on age but I think he still looks about the same as he has and has still been the better man in all of his fights. But I think Canelo GGG 3 would be 50/50 and a few other guys at MW would be good fights right now as well. Hope we get some good fights at MW in the next couple of years.

- Also - as you said, it is ironic that GGG may end up with 3 or even more Canelo fights when at one point it looked like that fight would never happen. Money wise the ending to his career looks like it was way better than he could have ever hoped for.

[Boxing_1013]

if he says he'll face any from 154 to 168 he should get a move on,isnt he 37 this year?
Hes not done it once.

My actual su****ion is that he never said this andit was mistranslated, but someone might prove me wrong.

Honestly I think it was Abel saying that, and I always took it as Abel saying - he will go to 154 (for Floyd and Pac) and to 168 (for Froch Chavez and other big money fights), and he will beat and stop anyone at those weights if the fight happens. (I don't think he would have stopped Froch but who knows, and Abel was probably just being the hype man to some extent when he said this.)

I think GGG Ward after a while was just never going to happen because money wise it didn't make sense for either guy and I don't think they would be able to negotiate with each other on what 'fair' terms were. GGG was the A side so would want to use that leverage, and I just can't see Ward giving up too much to get that fight done. And I can't blame him, it would be very high risk for moderate (financial) reward, although would have been a huge legacy fight for each guy.

I think there are a few interesting fights at SMW and maybe even above if GGG felt comfortable with them, but the biggest fights for him seem to be at MW right now. So money and even 'legacy' wise I don't really see him moving down at all, and maybe not even up.

Who knows though, will be interesting to see what happens in his next few fights. I anticipate a light touch first if Canelo is in September. But then what? Where does he go if he wins or loses? If he has 6 fights with DAZN at least 4 of them will have to be big fights/tests.

I hope he retires with his health but I also would love to see him in with some of the other top guys at MW after Canelo and also would enjoy seeing him move up to SMW to see how he fares there against a Callum Smith or Benevidez, or even Ramirez in a big money fight.

[JuniorTorres720]

He turns 37 next month. His last 6 fights could be about belts but they are his last 6 at 36. Clearly he knows that these next 6 fights could be his last. He spent over a decade collecting belts and aiming at undisputed. Not to say it wouldn't be nice but right now the man is trying to get the biggest fights possible that'll not only add to his legacy but to his bank account. I think GGG is more aware at this stage. The games in the Canelo fights wore him out. I think right now he's looking at it like, "I'm gonna maximize my profits. If titles come great, if not, so be it." I think GGG is thinking about his family more than anything. The first decade or so was dedicated to strictly getting belts and meeting HIS goals. Now he's prioritizing family over self ambition.

[DreamFighter]

Honestly I think it was Abel saying that,.

no worries i found the quotation of GGG saying "yes anyone"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKGbttrMLag

Obviously a fake - and the title of the video is highly and unnecessarily disrespectful.

[Boxing_1013]

no worries i found the quotation of GGG saying "yes anyone"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKGbttrMLag

Obviously a fake - and the title of the video is highly and unnecessarily disrespectful.

Lol how many times has a guy been asked after a fight - 'Will you fight so and so' and the answer is always - 'Yes anyone, bring on anyone.' He is already shaking his head 'yes' after Max says anyone, not even getting to the 154-168 part of the comment lol. Come on man this again is a big reach.

And again that video backs up, or at least doesn't dispute, what I was saying - he said 'yes' to fighting anyone from 154-168, but obviously that still would mean under the right conditions. That could mean fighting a guy from 154 at 160 or from 168 at 164.

He would play the B side role with May and Pac and go to 154, no problem. He would play the B side role with Froch and Chavez and go to 168 no problem. Everyone else would be the B side to GGG's A side so GGG would more or less be calling the shots. (Outside of Cotto and Canelo)

[Boxing_1013]

He turns 37 next month. His last 6 fights could be about belts but they are his last 6 at 36. Clearly he knows that these next 6 fights could be his last. He spent over a decade collecting belts and aiming at undisputed. Not to say it wouldn't be nice but right now the man is trying to get the biggest fights possible that'll not only add to his legacy but to his bank account. I think GGG is more aware at this stage. The games in the Canelo fights wore him out. I think right now he's looking at it like, "I'm gonna maximize my profits. If titles come great, if not, so be it." I think GGG is thinking about his family more than anything. The first decade or so was dedicated to strictly getting belts and meeting HIS goals. Now he's prioritizing family over self ambition.

Good points. And I mean who would pass up $20-$30 million dollar fights, which are also legacy fights, with Canelo to instead make a few million against a perceived worse fighter.

Same guys who hate on GGG for taking the Canelo fights are oddly silent or even encouraging Spence to take on the Pac fight lol.