Lomachenko Isn’t Allowed to Outpoint At Higher Weights? Domination Only?

[Thuglife Nelo]

Anybody notice that when we mention Lomachenko at higher weights it’s suddently an unfair advantage or that 135 is his limit?

Floyd didn’t TKO or KO tough opposition at higher weights. Instead he fought like a Cuban and pot shotted away on the move.

Lomachenko diehards need to give Loma more credit that it’s fine if he’s not stopping guys at higher weights. Stop crying that it’s “unfair.”

[Citizen Koba]

Anybody notice that when we mention Lomachenko at higher weights it’s suddently an unfair advantage or that 135 is his limit?

Floyd didn’t TKO or KO tough opposition at higher weights. Instead he fought like a Cuban and pot shotted away on the move.

Lomachenko diehards need to give Loma more credit that it’s fine if he’s not stopping guys at higher weights. Stop crying that it’s “unfair.”

Course it's OK, and that's what you expect as guys become increasingly outsized, it's not an 'unfair advantage' when you know what you're going to get when you sign to fight a bigger guy, but equally there's a limit to what we (or at least I) expect.

Signs are that Loma can still quite happily make weight at 130 and is already looking outsized at 135... I'm not sure what parallel to draw - Floyd, perhaps who was a natural WW when full grown (and even on the smallish side for a Welter) but was willing to fight at 154 for the very biggest fights. I suspect - or at least would hope - that the right fight would coax Lomachenko up to 140. but to take that risk on the regular against guys who aren't big names is simply multiplying your risk without a good reason.

[boliodogs]

Mayweather started fighting pro at age 19 and slowly moved up in weight as he outgrew each weight class. He was never fighting guys much bigger than himself. Loma turned pro at I think 27 years and already a full ground man who wasn't growing anymore. He turned pro at his proper weight of 126 and already has moved up to 135 which should indeed be his upper limit. He is already fighting far heavier than his proper weight class than Mayweather ever did. Get your facts straight and don't get it twisted. By the time Mayweather was fighting as a welterweight he had grown into a full sized powerful welterweight. Loma is Tiny at at 135 and could easily return to 126 and offered to return to 130 for Tank.

[boliodogs]

Course it's OK, and that's what you expect as guys become increasingly outsized, it's not an 'unfair advantage' when you know what you're going to get when you sign to fight a bigger guy, but equally there's a limit to what we (or at least I) expect.

Signs are that Loma can still quite happily make weight at 130 and is already looking outsized at 135... I'm not sure what parallel to draw - Floyd, perhaps who was a natural WW when full grown (and even on the smallish side for a Welter) but was willing to fight at 154 for the very biggest fights. I suspect - or at least would hope - that the right fight would coax Lomachenko up to 140. but to take that risk on the regular against guys who aren't big names is simply multiplying your risk without a good reason.

Mayweather was nly willing to fight Cotto at 154 because Cotto was just a big welterweight. That is the only time Mayweather ever fought at 154 and he made Canelo drop to 152 or no fight. Mayweather was a holder of two belts at 154 for years and never again fought above welterweight even though Lara was a champion and an obvious fight for Mayweather if he wanted to take a big risk.

[b Murphington]

Well of course Lomachenkos at a disadvantage at a higher weight. It just means he has to be on his game when he fights. He has to box a much safer style than he boxes now. He’s gotten too used to the flashy offensive tricks and moves. They’re great for scoring and look good to judges, but it comes with a price. You’re left open for counters. Plus, those cool looking combos would be less effective against someone heavier. They would have less of an effect. Loma just has to box more.

But that’s what separates the greats from everyone else. Loma winning or dominating while being outsized against a top fighter in a higher weight class. High risk, high reward.

Unfair would be asking him to do something ****** like expecting him to box Fury.

[Citizen Koba]

Mayweather was nly willing to fight Cotto at 154 because Cotto was just a big welterweight. That is the only time Mayweather ever fought at 154 and he made Canelo drop to 152 or no fight. Mayweather was a holder of two belts at 154 for years and never again fought above welterweight even though Lara was a champion and an obvious fight for Mayweather if he wanted to take a big risk.

He fought Oscar at 154, man. But the point still stands, essentially Floyd was a smallish WW who was willing to go up for only the biggest fights. Loma is a smallish LW, maybe even a JLW who might go up to 140, but I'd only really expect it if there was a particularly compelling motive to do so.

[Thuglife Nelo]

He fought Oscar at 154, man. But the point still stands, essentially Floyd was a smallish WW who was willing to go up for only the biggest fights. Loma is a smallish LW, maybe even a JLW who might go up to 140, but I'd only really expect it if there was a particularly compelling motive to do so.

Floyd a “smallish” Welterweight? “Was” as in pre 2007?

Floyd was a medium and seasoned Welter. From his debut at 147 to Berto his frame was significantly bigger. Floyd isn’t a small or big, but a medium Welter.

[sugarsmosley]

I dont think its so much lomachenko fans that are giving him a hard time, its his detractors that expect him for some reason to KO every man in 30 seconds. the argument you see from these idiots is "If he's so good why cant he knock out X guy in 2 rounds???"

the man is a boxing wizard and the best fighter on the planet for a good couple years now. People , for whatever reason are uncomfortable with that and try any way to discredit him.

[Citizen Koba]

Floyd a “smallish” Welterweight? “Was” as in pre 2007?

Floyd was a medium and seasoned Welter. From his debut at 147 to Berto his frame was significantly bigger. Floyd isn’t a small or big, but a medium Welter.

OK - I'm basing that on his fight night weigh in against Maidana (148) which admittedly some contend and the recorded weight for his fights above 147 (all hovering around 150 even when he would have been allowed to weigh in at 154). What benefit do you think he would have got boiling down to 150 if he was planning on coming to the ring the same size as most WWs (in the upper 150s or low 160s)?

So. Can I prove Floyd is a smallish WW? No - but to me there's fairly strong circumstantial evidence to support that claim.

[HURTFEELINGS]

According to the BIBLE the darker race was made to be stronger...... it has been proven in ALL sports....essau has to cheat to compete.