Ducking?

[BoxingIsGreat]

Let me make it easy for you. Froch in the UK =HUGE $$$$ and a bit of risk
Chavez Jr at that time =Huge $$$$ and basically zero risk

Ward = not alot of $$$$$ but alot of risk.

Pretty easy to see why they'd go to fight those other 2 at 168 bit make Ward come to 164.
You've been around a long time, I'd tlike to think you'd get how the sport works by now. Same reason Tank won't fight Loma anytime soon, the risk is not worth the pay.

So, it's a duck. That's what the thread is about. You are saying he ducked Ward because of the risk and the money. If that's okay, then nobody has ever ducked GGG. He brought nothing to the table for people like Martinez, Cotto, and Canelo.

I don't care about the reasons. The thread is about ducking and not whether some are selectively acceptable.

[Granath]

I'm not gonna read all that. Are you one of the guys calling for Davis-Loma? If not, excuse this post.

And, it's a clear duck, when a fighter wants to fight some fighters at 168 and not others. Was Froch gonna fight GGG at 160 or 164? No, the full 168.

Remember, again, GGG refusing to fight Canelo at 155 but would come down to 154 for old Floyd? Can't defend this BS.

The Davis-Loma thing is excused. The lack of reading is not. Doesn't make much sense to post if all you want is an echo chamber, does it? Now let's correct your historical revisionism.

Circumstances mean everything. GGG / Floyd would have been for both sets of belts - Super Welter and Middle. A catch-weight makes sense in that case. The Canelo fight was for the Middleweight belts and only those belts. Why would you fight at a different weight than what the belts are for? That's like criticizing Anthony Joshua for not wanting to agree to a catch-weight of 205 if he were fighting Usyk for the Heavyweight crown. It makes no sense whatsoever. None.

Again, you can't duck someone in a different division. End of story. Was Roy Jones Jr. "ducking" Wladimir Klitschko when he beat Ruiz in 2003? RJJ himself said that he couldn't beat Wlad but thought he could take Ruiz. Is that somehow constituted as ducking now?

Not to mention you still ignore the timing issue of GGG/Ward. Ward was already at 172 by the time that fight would have been made. Have you forgotten Ward's two years off just as GGG became a name because of Dre's fight with his manager? There wasn't a fight to be made with Ward because Ward wasn't fighting.

Feel free to hate on GGG all you want. The historical revisionism and outright fallacies don't pass muster though. But this little digression is exactly the type of chest thumping ******ity the OP was referring to. It's not enough to just dislike a guy but people have to actually invent ****** crap to try to justify their opinion.

[boliodogs]

If it's the biggest financial fight to be made and the fighter chooses to fight someone else for less, then it's a certified duck.

If they live in the same country that would be a duck.If they live in different counties home country advantage can be important.

[Jsmooth9876]

So, it's a duck. That's what the thread is about. You are saying he ducked Ward because of the risk and the money. If that's okay, then nobody has ever ducked GGG. He brought nothing to the table for people like Martinez, Cotto, and Canelo.

I don't care about the reasons. The thread is about ducking and not whether some are selectively acceptable.

Martinez, Cotto, Sturm, Canelo all were fighting at 160 with Golovkin and refused to fight him.

Canelo obviously eventually did and then fights did great financially so maybe the waiting game paid off for both of them.

Did Floyd duck Lara when he called him out or is Canelo ducking Bivol because he said he wants to fight him at 168? That's why I don't say Tank is ducking Loma, although Loma said he'd go back to 130 for the fight. They're at different weights and Tank hasn't even fought anyone at 130 yet. If the Loma fight was worth 20 million and he wouldn't fight him, I'd say it was a duck.

GGG had a fight vs Cotto or Canelo in line and you think he'd go fight Ward for 1/5 of the money? He might look ****** but I don't think he is.

[BoxingIsGreat]

The Davis-Loma thing is excused. The lack of reading is not. Doesn't make much sense to post if all you want is an echo chamber, does it? Now let's correct your historical revisionism.

Circumstances mean everything. GGG / Floyd would have been for both sets of belts - Super Welter and Middle. A catch-weight makes sense in that case. The Canelo fight was for the Middleweight belts and only those belts. Why would you fight at a different weight than what the belts are for? That's like criticizing Anthony Joshua for not wanting to agree to a catch-weight of 205 if he were fighting Usyk for the Heavyweight crown. It makes no sense whatsoever. None.

Again, you can't duck someone in a different division. End of story. Was Roy Jones Jr. "ducking" Wladimir Klitschko when he beat Ruiz in 2003? RJJ himself said that he couldn't beat Wlad but thought he could take Ruiz. Is that somehow constituted as ducking now?

Not to mention you still ignore the timing issue of GGG/Ward. Ward was already at 172 by the time that fight would have been made. Have you forgotten Ward's two years off just as GGG became a name because of Dre's fight with his manager? There wasn't a fight to be made with Ward because Ward wasn't fighting.

Feel free to hate on GGG all you want. The historical revisionism and outright fallacies don't pass muster though.

I'm, again, not gonna a long essay of excuses. Good day.

[Granath]

I'm, again, not gonna a long essay of excuses. Good day.

No worries. We understand it would take you until tomorrow to read a couple of paragraphs. Let's start simply and build up your skills.

See Spot Run
Run, Spot, Run

Let us know when you get that and we can move on to Hop on Pop next, probably some time in April.

[icha]

Martinez, Cotto, Sturm, Canelo all were fighting at 160 with Golovkin and refused to fight him.

Canelo obviously eventually did and then fights did great financially so maybe the waiting game paid off for both of them.

Did Floyd duck Lara when he called him out or is Canelo ducking Bivol because he said he wants to fight him at 168? That's why I don't say Tank is ducking Loma, although Loma said he'd go back to 130 for the fight. They're at different weights and Tank hasn't even fought anyone at 130 yet. If the Loma fight was worth 20 million and he wouldn't fight him, I'd say it was a duck.

GGG had a fight vs Cotto or Canelo in line and you think he'd go fight Ward for 1/5 of the money? He might look ****** but I don't think he is.

canelos very first fight at 160 was GGG... i know he fought chavez at 164, but before that fight took place there was already a contract signed to fight ggg at 160...

[just the facts]

If you name your price for a fight and then won't take the fight, clear duck.

[sargo]

No doubt promoters duck.

[Real King Kong]

Why put the issue aside? Isn't he saying "Dre is too good so I need to disadvantage him?" He wanted to fight Froch and Chavez at the full 168, why not Ward?

Are Loma and Davis in the same weight class? This whole site is calling for it, and I agree, and would love to see that at the full 135, not some BS catchweight.

We can put it aside cuz ggg never fought anyone at 168. It’s not the first time a fighter was willing to move up to face one fighter but wanted a cw for another. Point is, it’s the most fair way to make that type of fight happen without waiting for a guy to move up in weight.

Loma is capable of fighting tank at 130.