Comments Thread For: Bellew: AJ is Best Heavyweight, Wilder is Worst Champ of All-Time

[Nusky]

Thanks man. Yeah I agree with all of that. It really does suck when a certain narrative gets out there and people just parrot it without really looking at it themselves/or just run with it because it suits their agenda.

I agree and think that Mayweather interview skewed a lot of opinions. I would bet that Floyd had money on Fury in that fight, and even if he didn't it seems like a lot of the defensive type fighters were some of the ones giving Fury any close round.

I do tend to favor the aggressor but at the same time if a defensive fighter is schooling him I feel like I'm fair and I will give credit there too. I just saw a very tense first six rounds and not really a schooling at all.

People don't call it how they see it anymore and stick to the facts. Everyone has an agenda (fighters, fans, media, promoters, networks and sanctioning bodies).

I try to score everything equally when watching a fight and score the Rd 10-8 with knockdowns.

The Wards and Mayweathers don't like Wilder because they feel he's had it easy. The way they see it he's just a late start amateur blessed with unprecedented power and that's what bails him out. So they don't like him. But if that were true then how did he beat a fighter as skilled as Ortiz? People don't want to acknowledge the truth.

I laugh whenever they say "fury schooled Wilder". How can you school a man that had you on your back twice? I literally thought fury slipped into a coma when he hit the canvas in the 12th.Dead serious haha

[Boxing Goat]

Why? How does that figure? Fury had just got off the sofa 10 months earlier, he was in terrible shape for a world title bout. The Douglas that fought Mike Tyson would have probably knocked him out.

Douglas was not all that bad and the current world scene is one of the worst quality era’s. The problem for Douglas was he lacked motivation, he wasn’t a real fighter. But, Douglas was pretty athletic, had a nice long jab that looks very similar to Wilders and when he tried to finish a fight he was off balance and his hooks got a bit wayward, but his haymaker hook was just like Wilders. It’s really not that big of a call. The main differences would be nothing much technical, his power is probably slightly less and he has better short hooks than Wilder.

Nonsense. Fury had two tune ups and was in the best shape he had been in for quite some time. He fought great and almost got KTFO. Those hating so hard on Wilder are seriously deluded.

[sportbuddha]

Nonsense. Fury had two tune ups and was in the best shape he had been in for quite some time. He fought great and almost got KTFO. Those hating so hard on Wilder are seriously deluded.

There was 3 yrs between Fury fights at world level and just 8 months before he fought Wilder he was vastly overweight and admits he had not trained at all since beating Wlad, if you knew anything about boxing you would know staying active is crucial to staying sharp as a boxer.

Fury was not in world champ shape coming into the Wilder fight.

[Boxing Goat]

There was 3 yrs between Fury fights at world level and just 8 months before he fought Wilder he was vastly overweight and admits he had not trained at all since beating Wlad, if you knew anything about boxing you would know staying active is crucial to staying sharp as a boxer.

Fury was not in world champ shape coming into the Wilder fight.

He was in just as good as shape as he was in the Klitschko fight with two tune ups so that argument holds no weight with me. You're just underrating Wilder.

[sportbuddha]

He was in just as good as shape as he was in the Klitschko fight with two tune ups so that argument holds no weight with me. You're just underrating Wilder.

Those tune ups were against fringe guys with no credibility, whilst he was a weight loss plan to get down from 350lbs in just 9months! If you think Fury was peak you’re kidding yourself.

Wilder is okay in the current era, he’s got a belt, so that’s in the history books, he has a couple off power shots he can win with at any time.

In the history of boxing all of the top 3 are pretty low grade, it’d be comparable to Frank Bruno, Tim Wetherspoon and Michael Moorer being the best today, they’re all B grade, so there’s little point building them up.

[Richard G]

There was 3 yrs between Fury fights at world level and just 8 months before he fought Wilder he was vastly overweight and admits he had not trained at all since beating Wlad, if you knew anything about boxing you would know staying active is crucial to staying sharp as a boxer.

Fury was not in world champ shape coming into the Wilder fight.

Geez yes, you just had to look at him, flabby. Obviously the Wilder fan boys are playing Fury up to make Wilder look better than he was.

[Curtis Harper]

And Bellews statement effects the HW rankings in what way ?!?!?!?!?!

[Boxing Goat]

Those tune ups were against fringe guys with no credibility, whilst he was a weight loss plan to get down from 350lbs in just 9months! If you think Fury was peak you’re kidding yourself.

Wilder is okay in the current era, he’s got a belt, so that’s in the history books, he has a couple off power shots he can win with at any time.

In the history of boxing all of the top 3 are pretty low grade, it’d be comparable to Frank Bruno, Tim Wetherspoon and Michael Moorer being the best today, they’re all B grade, so there’s little point building them up.

Those guys didn't have half of the defenses as Wilder. Again, you're just underrating Wilder. It's fine to have an opinion and all, but I just think you're way off from reality. This will be my last post on the subject so you'll just have to agree to disagree since I've easily bested you here with common knowledge and facts. All you have is your off base opinion. Bye Bye

[Boxing Goat]

Geez yes, you just had to look at him, flabby. Obviously the Wilder fan boys are playing Fury up to make Wilder look better than he was.

He was in the same shape vs. Klitschko. That's how he looks and it's no mystery. You should realize that boxing isn't a body building contest. Fury says that quite often in fact.

[Boxing_1013]

Fury just has a low output in general. But when against someone who can punch like Deontay can? You will tend to be more cautious than usual. So Deontay's power kept Fury from opening up too much, not his skill.

Ortiz is a counter puncher. He doesn't like leading. He works best when someone comes to him. But Wilder didn't really do anything in the first 6 rounds (Which is why the crowd booed a few times) other than play cat and mouse with him, so Ortiz didn't really get to show his skill level all that much because there wasn't anything to work with. When Wilder did open up in the 7th, Ortiz caught him with a counter and had him out on his feet. But Ortiz used up all his gas trying to finish him off in that round and had completely nothing left for the remainder of the fight.

So there are reasons why they didn't knock him out. but none of the reasons include Wilder being a technically good fighter. Because he isn't even close to being one.

With all due respect, you are again making excuses for why they didn't do better than they did. We agree that Ortiz and Fury are great boxers but if Wilder was a scrub technically they should have had a considerably easier time with him.