Comments Thread For: Bellew: AJ is Best Heavyweight, Wilder is Worst Champ of All-Time

[Sid-Knee]

Coming up with petty insults like that 50 times a day on every post makes you sound like your 11 years old kid.

I honestly hope you are a kid, as it would be extremely embarrassing for an adult to write such meaningless nonsense constantly, and have such a creepy obsession with AJ.

Enjoy being on my "Ignore List". I would suggest other posters do the same as it will make this forum 50 times better having your comments filtered out.

The irony of you calling someone petty, a kid, and having a creepy obsession, is just too great. But why wouldn't you considering you're a complete nutter.

If you're not in a padded cell, you ****ing should be. You're scary.

[Sid-Knee]

I do get the 'he's a kid' vibe from him as well.

Be specific on what makes me a "Kid"?

After you saying that Wilder can't be technically that bad if he hasn't been knocked out is nothing but pure irony.

Oh, and the freak you quoted? You'll see the madness in him after you spend more time here. His obsession with AJ and smearing him with pretty much every post he makes stems from AJ beating Parker. He's a New Zealander who said Parker was going to knock AJ out. When Parker was easily beaten, he went ape **** and started this creepy hate campaign against him.

He said Parker was going to beat Whyte as well. When Parker was beaten for the second time, Whyte got all his hate and attention too.

He's a creepy weirdo who you won't be able to miss.

[Nusky]

I'm not even a Wilder fan man. I probably relate more to Fury but I also respect the aggressor in the ring as they are the one making the fight. So I had no real dog in the fight and just watched it and reported what I saw.

I think it is self-evident that if a guy is that terrible technically, another great boxer should be able to hurt him multiple times and probably stop him over 12 rounds. Ortiz got to Wilder once iirc and got hurt multiple times and Fury didn't really get to Wider at all and got dropped twice.

The first six rounds in the Fury fight had hardly any activity so saying Fury was robbed after a tight first 6 and then getting dropped 2 times in the last six, I just don't see how that is an unbiased opinion there.

I think boxing-wise AJ is a solid two levels above Wilder but AJ's stamina and chin are issues. If Wilder KOed him one could say he got to him once AJ got tired or that AJ just has a bad chin. I prefer to give credit to a guy where it is due rather than trying to tear him down by any means necessary.

That is one of the most objective and sensible breakdowns of the fight I've seen. People saw Mayweather say he gave the first 5rds to fury and they ran with it. Even the commentators did it. People are sheep, plain and simple.

[BennyBlanco]

AJ won't fight him but he's sending big offers over to Deontay? Hearn doesn't want it but he's the one trying to set up meetings so they can negotiate but Finkle point blank refuses?

You're so sick in the head and deluded. You know everything you write is nothing but straight lies. But you're brutally insecure and an egomaniac who can't handle the truth. You sad, pathetic little drip. What you're doing is creepy, I hope you know that. Freak.

Big offers??!?!?

The "big offer" was the $50 million that Wilder's team offered Deontay...and before you say it was legit or it was backed by BT or no contract was sent or whatever other excuses the Hearn sycophants are parroting this week, remember that Eddie said that Haymon had answered all his questions regarding the offer and it was Matchroom's court to decide what to do.

So AJ/Matchroom turning down the biggest heavyweight purse of all time against an opponent who in your eyes can't box at all is what...a smart move? Good negotiating? Logical decision-making? No, it was Hearn and McCracken trying to postpone a risky fight.

[sportbuddha]

His style was nothing like Wilders and you can't say they're the same quality without insulting Tyson Fury.

Why? How does that figure? Fury had just got off the sofa 10 months earlier, he was in terrible shape for a world title bout. The Douglas that fought Mike Tyson would have probably knocked him out.

Douglas was not all that bad and the current world scene is one of the worst quality era’s. The problem for Douglas was he lacked motivation, he wasn’t a real fighter. But, Douglas was pretty athletic, had a nice long jab that looks very similar to Wilders and when he tried to finish a fight he was off balance and his hooks got a bit wayward, but his haymaker hook was just like Wilders. It’s really not that big of a call. The main differences would be nothing much technical, his power is probably slightly less and he has better short hooks than Wilder.

[Boxing_1013]

Be specific on what makes me a "Kid"?

After you saying that Wilder can't be technically that bad if he hasn't been knocked out is nothing but pure irony.

Oh, and the freak you quoted? You'll see the madness in him after you spend more time here. His obsession with AJ and smearing him with pretty much every post he makes stems from AJ beating Parker. He's a New Zealander who said Parker was going to knock AJ out. When Parker was easily beaten, he went ape **** and started this creepy hate campaign against him.

He said Parker was going to beat Whyte as well. When Parker was beaten for the second time, Whyte got all his hate and attention too.

He's a creepy weirdo who you won't be able to miss.

I just think we debated on here before, about AJ I believe, and I got that vibe. If you're not a kid then my apologies I guess. I am not a fan any of the heavyweights really. So no real rooting interest in any of them.

I think AJ Fury and Ortiz are pretty clearly the most talented boxers at heavyweight. If Wilder was absolutely awful technically it is my opinion that Fury would have dominated him (meaning significantly outlanding him in most rounds) and Ortiz would have stopped him. That's just my analysis.

When Ortiz couldn't quite do that it showed me that Wilder has improved a little on his boxing and won't just be overrun by any good or decent boxer he faces. Maybe it is just the right hand that keeps people honest but I thought he didn't look tremendously outmatched against those guys, well I at least thought he hung in well enough against Ortiz to land a few big shots and basically did the same against Fury, just couldn't get the KO. I just think if he were worse Ortiz and Fury would have had a much easier time with him than they did, I think they are really good boxers.

I would favor AJ against Wilder but I am not so sure about AJ's chin. I could see that going either way honestly.

[Boxing_1013]

That is one of the most objective and sensible breakdowns of the fight I've seen. People saw Mayweather say he gave the first 5rds to fury and they ran with it. Even the commentators did it. People are sheep, plain and simple.

Thanks man. Yeah I agree with all of that. It really does suck when a certain narrative gets out there and people just parrot it without really looking at it themselves/or just run with it because it suits their agenda.

I agree and think that Mayweather interview skewed a lot of opinions. I would bet that Floyd had money on Fury in that fight, and even if he didn't it seems like a lot of the defensive type fighters were some of the ones giving Fury any close round.

I do tend to favor the aggressor but at the same time if a defensive fighter is schooling him I feel like I'm fair and I will give credit there too. I just saw a very tense first six rounds and not really a schooling at all.

[Sid-Knee]

Big offers??!?!?

The "big offer" was the $50 million that Wilder's team offered Deontay...and before you say it was legit or it was backed by BT or no contract was sent or whatever other excuses the Hearn sycophants are parroting this week, remember that Eddie said that Haymon had answered all his questions regarding the offer and it was Matchroom's court to decide what to do.

So AJ/Matchroom turning down the biggest heavyweight purse of all time against an opponent who in your eyes can't box at all is what...a smart move? Good negotiating? Logical decision-making? No, it was Hearn and McCracken trying to postpone a risky fight.

Yeah, big offers that are getting turned down or straight ignored. So leave the "50 Mill" offer and any other bull**** you want to bring up because it has nothing to do with what is happening right now.

Hearn has asked Espinozer to post this so called contract on social media but all we hear is crickets. That tells you all you need to know. Hearn didn't even know what the "contract" entailed until after he had spoken to Haymon and had his questions answered. It was exposed so Haymon clearly wasn't being straight with Eddie. But then again, who is ever being straight in the Wilder camp?

If you think differently, give me the WHOLE list of questions that were answered?

[aAgger]

In other words, Wilder is just a One Punch Man.

[Sid-Knee]

I just think we debated on here before, about AJ I believe, and I got that vibe. If you're not a kid then my apologies I guess. I am not a fan any of the heavyweights really. So no real rooting interest in any of them.

I think AJ Fury and Ortiz are pretty clearly the most talented boxers at heavyweight. If Wilder was absolutely awful technically it is my opinion that Fury would have dominated him (meaning significantly outlanding him in most rounds) and Ortiz would have stopped him. That's just my analysis.

When Ortiz couldn't quite do that it showed me that Wilder has improved a little on his boxing and won't just be overrun by any good or decent boxer he faces. Maybe it is just the right hand that keeps people honest but I thought he didn't look tremendously outmatched against those guys, well I at least thought he hung in well enough against Ortiz to land a few big shots and basically did the same against Fury, just couldn't get the KO. I just think if he were worse Ortiz and Fury would have had a much easier time with him than they did, I think they are really good boxers.

I would favor AJ against Wilder but I am not so sure about AJ's chin. I could see that going either way honestly.

Fury just has a low output in general. But when against someone who can punch like Deontay can? You will tend to be more cautious than usual. So Deontay's power kept Fury from opening up too much, not his skill.

Ortiz is a counter puncher. He doesn't like leading. He works best when someone comes to him. But Wilder didn't really do anything in the first 6 rounds (Which is why the crowd booed a few times) other than play cat and mouse with him, so Ortiz didn't really get to show his skill level all that much because there wasn't anything to work with. When Wilder did open up in the 7th, Ortiz caught him with a counter and had him out on his feet. But Ortiz used up all his gas trying to finish him off in that round and had completely nothing left for the remainder of the fight.

So there are reasons why they didn't knock him out. but none of the reasons include Wilder being a technically good fighter. Because he isn't even close to being one.