Why are team wilder and fans always acting like victims

[Ray*]

Joshua said that before the Parker fight. Back when Wilder was, as you so put it "literally begging him to come to the negotiating table."

https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/3/2...get-frozen-out


"Joshua says he has lots of good options for fights, so if Wilder wants a shot he’ll have to rethink his negotiating tactics."

“If he offered me 10 times more money to fight than what I am looking at in the UK, I would go there to fight him. But he is coming here. We are doing the offering, he hasn’t offered us. Take it or leave it,” he added.

That's not a negotiation. That's "take what we offer you or we freeze you out." in plain english.

In plain English you are freezing yourself out. Been offered 5/6 times your usual payday and saying no is freezing yourself out.

Not am going to work with certain fighters to freeze you out like he told Joshua and Whyte.

[N/A]

In plain English you are freezing yourself out. Been offered 5/6 times your usual payday and saying no is freezing yourself out.

You have no idea what his usual payday is.

We do know Hearn offered 15 million for Wilder to go to the UK and Wilder instead fought in the US for a reported 14 million. What would you rather have, 15 to go overseas or 14 to be at home? Considering Joshua would rather have 25 at home than 50 overseas, I'd say 14 at home is definitely better than 15 overseas.

[_Rexy_]

In plain English you are freezing yourself out. Been offered 5/6 times your usual payday and saying no is freezing yourself out.

Not am going to work with certain fighters to freeze you out like he told Joshua and Whyte.

So then it’s okay for AJ to say “take whatever we offer you or you’re frozen out” but if Wilder says the same thing, he’s a coward?

Ray, I don’t place you on the same level as the immature “Hearniacs” who I have all on block. We agree and disagree on a lot of topics, but for the most part I respect your opinion. Please explain it to me without using the term “A side/B side” or any of those ****** money terms; because you and I are both boxing fans and could give a **** about the backroom promoter BS that mayweather and everyone used to kill the sport.

/end rant lol

[Ray*]

So then it’s okay for AJ to say “take whatever we offer you or you’re frozen out” but if Wilder says the same thing, he’s a coward?

Ray, I don’t place you on the same level as the immature “Hearniacs” who I have all on block. We agree and disagree on a lot of topics, but for the most part I respect your opinion. Please explain it to me without using the term “A side/B side” or any of those ****** money terms; because you and I are both boxing fans and could give a **** about the backroom promoter BS that mayweather and everyone used to kill the sport.

/end rant lol

No am not ok with someone saying take whatever we offer you. Am pointing out the difference between Joshua statement which in my opinion is valid. Him telling Wilder to be reasonable with his demand is valid. He was offered 4/5 times is normal pay at the time. And refusing it is freezing himself out. So Wilder is basically freezing himself out.

Oppose to Wilder deliberately trying to work together with Fury so they can freeze Joshua out, and not only Joshua... Wilder himself told Whyte that he would freeze him out. So we have a boxer who made a deliberate statement about freezing out other boxers.

That for me shows he doesn’t want to fight those two. He isn’t offering them anything, he is working tactical to freeze them out of the equation.