Pac my P4P #1...but who is my #2?

[Easy-E]

if parra is really that good but has fought only in his backyard, then i'd move him down, 7-10. i'd have calzaghe in there too, somewhere between 7-10. but overall i can agree with the rest. pac and wright has fought more hard battles recently than floyd. and mab bounced back to a string of wins since the loss to pac.

String of wins against....??
Yeah thats what I thought.
P4p is supposed to be who is the best fighter regardless of weight.

[wmute]

opinions are like testicles

this guy got his own pair (wrong)

[Mr. Ryan]

It is legitimatley the worst list compiled by the most ignorant jackoff I have ever read.
I am in utter and complete disbelief and pray that no one takes that retarted article serious in the slightest bit.

LOL, Martin Top Knowledge's **** ass was spamming PacLand the other day with a similar list. He put a link to BB and a P4P list that had Pacquiao 1 on the P4P just to nuthug Pinoys. Luckily, I got the link removed and told everyone never to go to that gay pride site.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Winky Wright

[Chups]

THE TEN BEST FIGHTERS IN THE WORLD REGARDLESS OF WEIGHT!



It’s going to take until about number two for the questions of “Are you kidding?” to
start rolling in, but this is why I’m right: I’ve actually seen every fighter on my list
and every active titlist in the game at least once which is more than almost any
journalist in the United States can say….and that ain’t bragging. It’s gospel.
My criteria is simple: if you fight the best guys around, win most of the time, and
are always in the fight by a point or two, you get props because that will be a
reflection of your total and recent career. I don’t reward highlight reels, hip-hop
credibility or exhibition bouts but I will reward my own opinions and hunches. If you’re
the best, you’ve been proving it.

Manny Pacquiao (42-3-2, 33 KO’S)


Career Titles: Lineal World Flyweight (112 lbs.) and Featherweight (126 lbs.) titles;
additional alphabet title (IBF) at 122 lbs.


Last Five Opponents: Oscar Larios, Erik Morales (twice), Hector Velasquez, Fahsan 3-K
Battery, Juan Manuel Marquez


Next Opponent: A third bout with Erik Morales


My Take: What’s not to like? Manny Pacquiao at 19 became the World Flyweight champion
with a KO of Chatchai Sasakul 1998 and following the loss of that title moved up ten
pounds to upset Lehlo Ledwaba in 2001 and announce his arrival to the world outside Asia.
Since 2003, has knocked out future Hall-of Famers Marco Antonio Barerra and Erik Morales
while also dropping a narrow decision to Morales and sending Marquez and Larios to the
deck a total of five times. No one in the last three years has faced better foes and his
one loss since 1998 came to Morales for Gods sake. Oh, and did I mention that when he
KO’d Barerra, he became the only fighter in history to win the fly and feather crowns
(both by KO) and that the last guy to come close was Fighting Harada some thirty years
ago? What more can one ask for?

Lorenzo Parra (27-0, 17 KO’S)

Career Titles: WBA Flyweight

Last Five Opponents: Brahim Asloum, Takefumi Sakata, Trash Nakanuma, Yosam Choi, Eric
Morel

Next Opponent: Former WBA 108 lb. titlist Roberto Vasquez

My Take: Some of you are scratching your heads and that’s what you get for not tracking
down overseas tapes. Parra is the truth. Period. He can box, punch, use his legs, has
great speed and will come to your hometown to whoop your ass. Don’t believe it? The
Venezuelan has fought each of his last five foes (with a combined record of 127-12) in
their backyards like a modern day Brian Mitchell, including wins over the undefeated Morel
and Asloum. His title win over Morel came when Eric was regarded as the world’s best fly
and was creeping onto P4P lists like this one; he won 8 rounds on two cards and put Morel
on the deck. Asloum was an undefeated Olympic Gold medalist who earned his title shot the
old fashioned way against excellent competition and was France’s answer to Oscar De la
Hoya. Parra dropped him and didn’t lose a round. Ponsaklek Wonjongkam may have the division
record for defenses; Jorge Arce may be the money draw; and Vic Darchinyan has great
exposure but none has faced, or has a better next foe on tap, than Parra. He also has a
win over former World 108 lb. king Yosam Choi. He’s the best kept secret in all Boxing…
and remember that people laughed at Larry Merchant for putting Pacquiao on his list after
the Ledwaba win. I’d pick Parra over anyone in the world from 105-115 and that matters
because 112 and 115 are the two best divisions in Boxing right now (regardless of their
lack of TV coverage).

Winky Wright (50-3-1, 25 KO’S)

Career titles: World Junior Middleweight (154 lbs.)

Last Five Opponents: Jermain Taylor, Sam Soliman, Felix Trinidad, Shane Mosley, Angel
Hernandez

Next Opponent: Rumored to be Joe Calzaghe

My Take: Unlike most, I like Winky’s style and won’t punish him for the losses he’s had.
Only one was definitive (a five knockdown debacle a decade ago against Julio Cesar Vasquez)
and the other two, Fernando Vargas and Harry Simon were narrow. Oh, and Vargas and Simon
were also top of the stack guys. I had him barely losing to Taylor in his bid to become
the first man to win the lineal world title at 154 and middleweight (1960) since Sugar Ray
Leonard. If he takes Calzaghe and it’s close, win or lose, he probably hangs right at
this spot.

Bernard Hopkins (47-4-1, 32 KO’S)

Career Titles: World Middleweight; Ring Magazine Light Heavyweight (178 lbs.)

Last Five Opponents: Antonio Tarver, Jermain Taylor, Howard Eastman, Oscar De La Hoya,
Robert Allen

Next Opponent: Claims he’s retired

My Take: Until Roy Jones-Badi Ajamu is completed, I won’t believe he’s retired. He’s
already giving interviews about being bored. I didn’t have him losing either Taylor bout
(win in the first, draw in the second), and while the ‘title’ he won from Tarver was NOT
the lineal World light heavyweight title, Tarver was the consensus best at 178. That win
came on the heels of 20 IBF middleweight title defenses over eleven years. Taylor is
probably the only guy to win more than two rounds over Hopkins in that time span.

Marco Antonio Barerra (62-4, 42 KO’s)

Career titles: World Featherweight; Alphabet belts at 122 and 130

Last Five Opponents: Rocky Juarez, Robbie Peden, Mzonke Fana, Erik Morales, Paulie
Ayala

Next Opponent: A rematch with Juarez

My Take: The difference between Barerra and Mayweather? The rematch with a young tiger
who Barerra barely edged out in Juarez. The blowout loss to Pacquiao would hurt more if
he hadn’t followed it with a Fight of the Year victory over Morales. I could have flipped
a coin between five and six. Career accomplishment was neck and neck for me and Fana and
Bruseles are a push. That leaves Morales and Juarez edging out Judah and Gatti for the
deciding vote.

Floyd Mayweather (36-0, 24 KO’S)

Career Titles: World Jr. Lightweight and Lightweight; alphabet belts at 140 and 147

Last Five Opponents: Zab Judah, Sharmba Mitchell, Arturo Gatti, Henry Bruseles, Demarcus
Corley

Next Opponent: Rumored at BoxRec to be Kermit Cintron

My Take: Here come the allegations. “Hater!” “Doug Fischer bandwagon rider!” Whatever.
Mayweather is the latest example of the ESPN/MTV phenomenon. Here’s the template made
famous by Roy Jones: Get some impressive wins early in your career, secure giant HBO
contract, start putting together highlight reel wins against the second tier for bragging
rights to impress the style over substance Sports Center crowd and let your worshippers
state that ‘no one else can beat him anyways’ when your opposition is questioned.
Seriously. Look at the above five fighters; all have taken risky, nail biting challenges
and have one on tap. Their last five foes lists are all better than Floyd’s and three of
them (Barerra, Pacquiao, and Hopkins) are all proven to be bigger box office draws that
could take the same career route Floyd is if they wanted to. They just haven’t. They,
like Floyd would be against anyone, were mostly heavily favored to win their fights. It’s
true that possible Floyd opponents Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto don’t want to make those
fights right now, but Floyd doesn’t want Antonio Margarito and publicly turned down Joel
Casamayor in favor of Mitchell and Stevie Johnston in favor of Sosa and Phillip N’Dou
while lightweight champ. After the Jose Luis Castillo fights, I was convinced that Floyd
was the best fighter in the world even though I had him losing their first bout four years
ago (losing to good fighters and winning the rematch is what great fighters do). To make
Floyd fans happy, if Carlos Baldomir beats Gatti to retain the World welterweight title
and Floyd faces him, he likely moves up. I give big cred to winning real world titles
(when they are available) and Baldomir will have not lost in 20 fights at that point with
three wins against the 147 lb. top ten.

Diego Corrales (40-3, 33 KO’S)

Career Titles: World Lightweight; alphabet belt at 130

Last Five Opponents: Jose Luis Castillo, Acelino Freitas, Joel Casamayor, Damian Fuller,
Felix Kitts

Next Opponent: None yet but likely to be Freitas or Casamayor.

My Take: His last five opponents are weakened by the last two names listed, but the first
three are his last five fights. If Castillo had made weight is their second fight and still
won, he’d be here.

Jose Luis Castillo (54-7-1, 47 KO’S)

Career Titles: Two-time World lightweight champ

Last Five Opponents: Rolando Reyes, Diego Corrales, Julio Diaz, Joel Casamayor, Juan
Lazcano

Next Opponent: The Nevada State Athletic Commission

My Take: The weigh-in fiasco that killed Corrales III hurts, but recent opponents and
total accomplishment since beating Johnston in 2001 is unreal.

[Chups]

Jermain Taylor (25-0-1, 17 KO’S)

Career Titles: World Middleweight

Last Five Opponents: Winky Wright, Bernard Hopkins, Daniel Edouard, William Joppy, Raul
Marquez

Next Opponent: Probably Sergio Mora

My Take: Regardless of the way his last three fights were scored, Taylor showed he
belonged and four of his last five were against champions or former titlists. He is
the most rapidly improving fighter on this list.

Martin Castillo (30-1, 16 KO’S)

Career Titles: WBA Jr. Bantamweight

Last Five Opponents: Alexander Munoz, Hideyasu Ishihara, Eric Morel, Roger Galicia,
Alberto Ontiveros

Next Opponent: Nobuo Nashiro

My Take: Best all-around fighter in Boxing’s second best weight class. He’d tear the
world title off lineal champ Masamori Tokuyama and would have been a titlist long ago
if not for getting jobbed against Felix Machado is a cut-shortened technical decision.
His rematch war with Munoz was one of the year’s best fights.

BRING ON THE CRITICS!

That’s it…my first and last such list for a while. British boxing fans looking for
Calzaghe and Hatton, Floyd lovers, and the flyweight ignorant can feel free to log onto
the Ring Talk comment board below and tell me why I’m nuts. I’ll even respond to the best
of you.

Cliff Rold



Note: “24-Karat” Rold is not just the best young boxing writer on the planet. He currently
serves as Presidential Management Fellow alongside duties as a Board member and Director
of Programs at the Centre for Global Diplomacy (www.globaldiplomacy.org) He is also an
award winning poet and recipient of a Masters degree in US Foreign Policy at the American
University in Washington, DC.


Posted By Silencio on 11 July, 2006
Very good article Cliff and pretty accurate listing. I can't vouch for Para, because like
most fans, I have never seen him in action. It must have been difficult picking 10 fighters
out of the sea of mediocraty that populates the boxing pool these days. Regardless, one can
only work with the cards that are dealt.

I heard Joe Frazier is lacing up the gloves at 65 for an exhibition for charity against a
politician or something. Based on that alone, I would put him at the top of your list.

Good Job Cliff.

Posted By dbcooper on 11 July, 2006
great list...i am surprised at some names but i dont BS myself and treat myself to certain
level of professionalism...i stand corrected on it and i think this list is very consistent
in its approach...

Posted By the fight speculator on 11 July, 2006
I agree with your top pick. If you really examine the facts you posted though, let's
eliminate Fraud Jr. from the mix, especially if he fights Baldomir. Barrera gets credit
for Juarez, Taylor gets credit for Wright and vice versa. So when compared to that what
can Fraud fans say. And those below him Castillo and Corrales are eons beyond him in terms
of schedule. Fraud is like those whiny little bitches you see on after school specials
that has all the talent in the world but is afraid to be on top because of all the
pressure.

Posted By box on 11 July, 2006
when.are.some.of.these.other.so.called.boxing.*exp ert.stop.putiing.mayweather.as.the.#1.
pfp..*..he.has.not.fought.elite.opponents.consiste nt*ly.in.the.last.few.years.unlike.
pacqioua.....m*ayweather.will.be.the.next.roy.jone s.,..people*.thinks.he.is.great.but.
avoids.better.apponent*s.*

Posted By Ben on 11 July, 2006
Good list and very good #1. Pacquiao takes them all on and has beaten pretty much all
comers of late. And he does it in exiting fashion. He is probably still improving and has
a huge fanbase in his home country. Mayweather at #5 or 6 is about right. Not much to get
exited about lately with regards to this guy. Most of his fights now are high priced PPV
sparring matches. All worthy opponents are written of as "Not deserving". The hero worship
over this guy after picking up the P4P title by default from Jones (In some folks book)
really has become a joke. Saying that he appeals to the substance over style crowd is
very, very accurate.

Posted By Ben on 11 July, 2006
*style over substance

Posted By Caloy on 11 July, 2006
Great List! There aren't much writers out there who can acknowledge the truly best boxers
in the game. Many I think are awed by the bright lights of some boxers like Mayweather.
Kudos for regarding Pacquiao as the best pound for pound fighter. He really became the
best by fighting and beating the best and the greatest fighters.

Posted By **** on 11 July, 2006
let's get pac to fight freitas / barrios next after morales and barrera

Posted By Guest on 11 July, 2006
hi clifford its my first time to post on your column nice one for putting pacman on #1
pound for pound list.More Power:>

Posted By Guest on 11 July, 2006
Pacman is the man...

good job Sir!!

Posted By Guest on 11 July, 2006
i'm one of the "flyweight ignorants".. i'll be surfin' the net like crazy for lorenzo
parra fights. nice job on the list. time to bring this one to the boards. -lasher

Posted By Battosai on 11 July, 2006
Great list sir!!!

Posted By rhodz [website] on 11 July, 2006
NO DOUBT!.. keep it going cliff!
hats off to you

Posted By jay on 11 July, 2006
Interesting list pedro...now there is a few fighters i will be looking out for. But why not
put ricky hatton in there somewhere? If quality of opposition is one of your main
examinations, ricky hatton has been out there testing himself like a true warrior. tszyu,
maussa and callazo alone should be enough to atleast get a little p4p credit. I like your
#1 pick though. Boot out the retired boring bernard and stick ricky in there man!

Posted By box on 11 July, 2006
ring.magazine.needs.a.new.p4p.list

Posted By box on 11 July, 2006
pacman has a great schedule for the next 6 months. he deserve to be #1 p4p. as far as
fighting Barrios, it should NOT happen because in my opinion, Barrios is a cheater that
tries to rob the cradle. in his last fight he came in the +19 over the weight limit.
Barrios has no business staying at 130 and needs to move up in weight. they should weigh
fighters either the day befoer teh fight or the same day. if you are going to hold a title
at a certain weight class, you should weigh at that weight class. what is the point of
having weight classes. barrios was +19 lbs. that is a SHAME!. Great list, Pedro.

Posted By **** on 11 July, 2006
let's get pac to fight freitas / barrios next after morales and barrera

[Chups]

Posted By Flash ryan on 11 July, 2006
FANTASTIC LIST! THIS WILL ABSOLUTELY CHANGE THE TRADITIONAL POUND FOR POUND LIST. I JUST
CANT WAIT TO HEAR FROM BOXING THE CRITICS.

Posted By Nick on 11 July, 2006
Great work Cliff as always. That is a good list, Mayweather should not be top 5. On skills
and talent without doubt but some sense of accomplishment has to come into it and his
competition since fighting Castillo is WEAK!

Posted By Mistah on 11 July, 2006
Now Ringtalk is making sense....

Great list, Cliff, not really because I'm biased towards Pacman but because the way you
justified your picks really makes sense to me....

I will have to look for Parra fight videos to take a peek on this guy.

More power to you!

Posted By MrAK47 on 11 July, 2006
Good list! I really think Winky should be in there together with Pac. Wright has fought
considerable better opposition than Parra and is in the half-century mark in his
professional career. Give the man his due. I don't know Parra honestly.

You ranked Floyd where he should be. He doesn't deserve to be the PFP King. He's a fraud
ducking real opposition.

Posted By MrAK47 on 11 July, 2006
I'm really amazed that Pac started at 106-109 lbs.. This is a very rare instance that a
FLY has gone all the way to SUPERFEATHER.. I don't know. But I guess it's time to give Pac
his due as the best fighter alive.

Posted By Guest on 11 July, 2006
Although I hate Winky's style, props for putting him high on the list. The only really
definitive loss that he has had was to Vasquez, who, IMO, was near the top of the game at
the time. Vasquz was also a huge step up for Winky at the time. And the fight wasn't that
lopsided.
I still think that Floyd is the best fighter alive, far better than Pacman. But true, he
hasn't proved it to anyone with his recent list of fights, and Pacman has definitely proven
a lot more.

Posted By Hernan on 11 July, 2006
Cliff,

If you're the best you've been proving it.. Nice job....

Posted By jadee on 11 July, 2006
great list!!! i cannot agree more!!!

Posted By Guest on 11 July, 2006
common who the hell is lorenzo parra? i think your list is good but parra? give me a break
man!

Posted By Yendale on 11 July, 2006
Cliff, if there's a superchampion, you should be on that spot! Finally, a writer who
methodically listed the true P4P fighters. I salute you for coming into the open, re-write
the story as it should be, and ejected the overstaying nonsense king Fraud Mayweather!
Without a doubt Pacman is the man for taking any opponent to a tango of demolition and
exhibition! Shocking it may be but I would like to believe in you that the spot no. 2 is
for Parra. Hope to see that guy soon! Now, the majority of real fans can sleep soundly
thinking that, at last, somebody put the record straight! Pacman is the man!

Posted By 24 Karat Rold on 11 July, 2006
Who is Parra? I think I laid that out...have you seen him...if o, more than once? You do
realize that there are more fighters OFF of HBO and/or U.S. tv than there are on and that
HBO has never shown a fly bout outside a PPV undercard right? There must be some reason
they sell out in the rest of the world right?

Posted By Guest on 11 July, 2006
P4P list now is getting sense, but un-honestly speaking majority of boxing fans didn't
know parra? im from middle-east and we show the boxing skills of the PACMAN...He is the
best fighter in the WORLD today...More power

Posted By Guest on 11 July, 2006
Manny Pacquiao really deserve to be on the top after a good display of boxing against
oscar larios of mexico,Manny Pacquiao will again rise to the top as he climb up to reach
the big IBF/WBC Undisputed 130 pound king Marco Barrera(Becoming the official first ever
filipino fighter to capture 3 world titles).Morales will be out of the seen on NOv. 18
after he will be beaten by Manny.Manny must fight Barrera in March or April of Early 2007,
We wish Luck to all the P4P boxers ib the world today,Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!

Posted By Guest on 11 July, 2006
Nice lists

Posted By Guest on 11 July, 2006
youve got a point there but being number 2 at pound for pound?! that's too much. i think
wrinky, mab, chico has fought better opponents.

Posted By Guest on 11 July, 2006
youve got a point there but being number 2 at pound for pound?! that's too much. i think
wrinky, mab, chico has fought better opponents.

Posted By Guest on 11 July, 2006
youve got a point there but being number 2 at pound for pound?! that's too much. i think
wrinky, mab, chico has fought better opponents.

Posted By ****\"The Mick\" on 11 July, 2006
Cliff: I think it's a good list, although I have not seen Parra perform. I'm just asking
but, Isn't the Lightheavyweight limit still 175 instead of your 178??? One severny eight
is the Olympic limit, not the professional limit....

Posted By 24 Karat Rold on 11 July, 2006
Outside of Morel, how many of his opponents have you seen?

Posted By Shimi on 11 July, 2006
Cliff,

Give me a good reason why Calzaghe isn't on here. I was impressed with his breakdown of
Lacy, and although he hasn't always fought the best, he has tried to get Jones and Hopkins
in the ring.

Posted By blue4cor on 11 July, 2006
It is supported with SOLID FACTS Cliff. This is the most acceptable article on p4p that
ever existed.
Seeing p4p lists that includes lists of fighters that don't even belong to the top 20 is
really making every boxing afficionado sick.
It's now time for all boxing fans to realize that their search for the pound 4 pound best
has finally ended.
The man who never evaded every top dog thrown on him deserves to be the pound for pound
king.

*******************************

Posted By 24 Karat Rold on 11 July, 2006
Because I think these other ten are better than Calzaghe and for the most part have beat
better guys. Morel/Asloum>Lacy

Posted By Gil P. Acosta [website] on 11 July, 2006
You can also add to your criteria as to how your pound 4 pound best mauled his opponents
in the ring. How he defeated them. Quality of opposition is good criterion but as to how
your pound 4 pound best demolished the opposition in the ring is more important criterion.
Packman mercilessly mauled the best in his division making them look so utterly helpless:
the likes of MAB and Morales.

Posted By Baldur on 11 July, 2006
nice list.. cant believe it either that Pacman started as a flyweight. it only showed how
talented and gifted he is as a fighter.. he's keep on growing and improving more.. during
the last fight, they say that he's not 100% cause he only traind for 4 weeks.. heheh.. he's
the man!

Posted By Medeon Maraon on 11 July, 2006
Loved the article, Cliff! Way to go!

Posted By Guest on 11 July, 2006
WOW I ADMIRE YOUR GUTS TO CALL IT THE WAY YOU SEE IT! I BET MY ASS YOUR CATCHING A LOT OF
FLACKS ON THIS ONE!KUDOS FOR HAVING BIG #%*$!

Posted By extra_rice on 11 July, 2006
i agree with mr. gil acosta... a nice added criteria would be how the fighter performed
in his fight... fits the pacman perfectly... i mean just look at his opponents... every
time he beats one everyone thinks the opponent got old and ready to retire... geez! talk
about pathetic alibis... go pacman!

Posted By 24 Karat Rold on 11 July, 2006
Not catching flak much at all...P4P is a subjective reading and I am enthused that, while
outside convention, people recognize the amount of work put in here. I'm trying to bring
the RT readers a look at the whole world...not just 48 states.

Posted By 24 Karat Rold on 11 July, 2006
Not catching flak much at all...P4P is a subjective reading and I am enthused that, while
outside convention, people recognize the amount of work put in here. I'm trying to bring
the RT readers a look at the whole world...not just 48 states.

Posted By Guest on 11 July, 2006
Youre a genius!!!

Only you, so far, have known the truth.

Posted By Botyok/Pokok on 11 July, 2006
Man,this is the justification we wanted for so long.Thanks for bringing up the balls.Now,
other site P4P maker will be bitching about this. They were blinded king frauder M.,..for
God's sake he's a TV personality-boxer not a real one because he select his opponent whon
he can beat easily so he can tie his belt always in his waist. I would to see Floyd #1 of
your list, but first, pleaseee let him fight the legit & best fighter in his weight class,
then we will zip our lip. Pacman?? his motto?? is this, "eni tym, eni plis, eni wer, ail
fyt him" (i lab u, pilipins.), his parting words, What a great guy, fly to superfeather
w/ 1 lose.

Posted By Nick on 11 July, 2006
Right on Cliff, there is no right and wrong when it comes to a P4P list.
Everyone has a different opinion and opinions are like arseholes - everybody has one!

How about some line breaks next time though! He he.

[Bogler]

Next Opponent: Rumored at BoxRec to be Kermit Cintron

This guy is clearly an idiot with no credibility.
He attempts to brag about seeing all the fighters once!
What an absolute tool, he is an absolute dumbass, i cannot believe i even took time to read that awful article.
What a pathetic joke.

If Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather were both at the same weight (hypothetically) Floyd would dominate.
Thats p4p.

yeah that's p4p, but how will we really know the outcome of these hypothetical fights? style makes fights as we say, so no we will never know. and that's why we look at each of the fighters recent fights to make a CURRENT P4P list. this list is always changing, and very quickly too sometimes. one or two fights could suddenly shake anyone's list. and looking at recent fights of these boxers, it's easy to have ppl jumble the top 3 slots.

hypothetical question for you, if PBF get KTFO in his next fight, will he still be #1 p4p because you think he'll dominate pacman or winky if they were hypothetically at the same weight?

[crold1]

If people don't agree that's fine, but the 'seen every fighter'is legit considering that many fans here who ARE hardcore will admit not having seen parra before (who at least won his belt on a US PPV). I don't think it's a stretch to say most haven't seen guys like Tokuyama or Kyowa either. I said I have seen every titlist in the sport at least once; how many guys who write about the sport can claim the same? Not many, especially considering that some had never seen Monshipour-Sithchatchawl until I sent them copies. As to Floyd-Cintron, it was listed at Boxrec for a few days and was the source of rumors, but it's not even mentioned in this column.

So, DUDE who is jocking PBF, why not explain why 'it's the worst article ever' besides it offends you in your Floyd pajamas.

[crold1]

As to Floyd-Cintron, it was listed at Boxrec for a few days and was the source of rumors, but it's not even mentioned in this column as a criticism; it was the one foe I could find listed anywhere and I don't say it as fact; I attribute. (I had trouble editing this in)

[Easy-E]

As to Floyd-Cintron, it was listed at Boxrec for a few days and was the source of rumors, but it's not even mentioned in this column as a criticism; it was the one foe I could find listed anywhere and I don't say it as fact; I attribute. (I had trouble editing this in)

You lost a lot of credibility citing boxrec as a source, even if its a rumored one.