Comments Thread For: Barry Hearn: Wilder is Not Very Good, Easiest Fight For Joshua

[MastaBlasta]

60/40 in favour of a three belt champion is hardly ridiculous though, is it?

Just look at the facts

That offer would have been fair in the original negotiation. Team Hearn was not even close to offering that at the time. It's not bad now either, but people moved on and are busy with a situation just as good. I hope Team Hearn's offers are that fair when they are truly on the clock in the future.

[just the facts]

wilder has and a legit offer to fight Joshua in April ..for more money than he has ever earned , in front of 90k and for all the belts and he still won’t fight Joshua...he lost to fury the first fight and he is going to lose the rematch.
He is a dosser simple as that...
Tell your lanky streak of piss heavyweight to sign the Joshua fight and stop running

So you just dismiss all of the FACTS I've posted and continue your anti American rant? Have fun.....

[The plunger man]

So you just dismiss all of the FACTS I've posted and continue your anti American rant? Have fun.....

r what facts have you posted all i know is wilder has been offered a massive wembley stadium fight for a career highest purse against the consensus number 1 heavyweight champion who owns 3 belts and a rematch offer in wioders back yard.
Those are the real facts and those are real numbers not some fantasy figure plucked out of winkle octogenerians rectum

[Redgloveman]

I did google exactly what you mentioned above. The headlines say "offered" which I believe has got you going. However, all articles written with "offered" in the title refer to the statement that I quoted for you. As far as Hearn and his reputation, I think he is very careful with his words. By saying "I will" or "they can have 40% if they want it", he is not obliged to send a contract with 40% and a reasonable rematch split (50-50 rematch split in the US if Wilder wins is a bit generous to Joshua). He will always make statements that he can easily "explain" or "blame". That's his role as a promoter (for the record, I don't "fault" him).

I almost couldn't be bothered to send this but then I thought f**k it:


Yes, he's a promoter, but the reason I say the world doesn't revolve around Wilder is that Hearn is extremely unlikely to be willing to suffer a huge PR fallout which would jeopardise his own Company's standing and his position with DAZN just for the sake of winning a very minor, very insignificant verbal battle with Wilder's team.

So if he starts telling media outlets and youtube reporters, "if they want 60/40 they can have it", you'd better believe that they can have it. We're not living in the late 90s or early 00s here where you could just say something and have a reasonable chance of covering it up. You'd have to be insane to think that Hearn is planning on backing down from what he's so clearly and openly said to such a large number of people who have influence in the courts of public opinion.

Let's bear in mind that, whatever you think about him, he is the one promoter who really gets how the media works these days, which is probably why he's done well for himself. He puts in so much time with youtube reporters etc. because he knows that it gives him a certain profile and platform (look how much time he spends being interviewed by openly hostile reporters like EGO, Blueblood etc.) I can't imagine he enjoys being interviewed by people who clearly want to discredit him, but he does it anyway because it raises his profile (and he seems to have an obsessive need to have people like him, which is what makes the fact that he gets booed everywhere he goes so damn funny)

He knows that you can't just tell people things and deny them later without massively damaging that profile which he works so hard to maintain.

Further to this, when you say:

By saying "I will" or "they can have 40% if they want it", he is not obliged to send a contract with 40%

He's wouldn't be obliged to in any case because the principle of pre-contractual misrepresentation doesn't apply to boxing contracts. This is because fight contracts (like a huge number of business contracts) contain "Entire Agreement Clauses" which protect the contracting parties from being held to statements that they may have said to the media or to one another before the contracts are entered into.

So it's not a case of him being "careful with his words". Without wanting to be a d*ck about it, it's more likely that you're just seeing something that you want to see... which isn't there.

[Redgloveman]

That offer would have been fair in the original negotiation. Team Hearn was not even close to offering that at the time. It's not bad now either, but people moved on and are busy with a situation just as good. I hope Team Hearn's offers are that fair when they are truly on the clock in the future.

You and me both

[just the facts]

r what facts have you posted all i know is wilder has been offered a massive wembley stadium fight for a career highest purse against the consensus number 1 heavyweight champion who owns 3 belts and a rematch offer in wioders back yard.
Those are the real facts and those are real numbers not some fantasy figure plucked out of winkle octogenerians rectum

I refuse to have boxing conversations with agenda driven idiots like you. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[Ake-Dawg]

I almost couldn't be bothered to send this but then I thought f**k it:


Yes, he's a promoter, but the reason I say the world doesn't revolve around Wilder is that Hearn is extremely unlikely to be willing to suffer a huge PR fallout which would jeopardise his own Company's standing and his position with DAZN just for the sake of winning a very minor, very insignificant verbal battle with Wilder's team.

So if he starts telling media outlets and youtube reporters, "if they want 60/40 they can have it", you'd better believe that they can have it. We're not living in the late 90s or early 00s here where you could just say something and have a reasonable chance of covering it up. You'd have to be insane to think that Hearn is planning on backing down from what he's so clearly and openly said to such a large number of people who have influence in the courts of public opinion.

Let's bear in mind that, whatever you think about him, he is the one promoter who really gets how the media works these days, which is probably why he's done well for himself. He puts in so much time with youtube reporters etc. because he knows that it gives him a certain profile and platform (look how much time he spends being interviewed by openly hostile reporters like EGO, Blueblood etc.) I can't imagine he enjoys being interviewed by people who clearly want to discredit him, but he does it anyway because it raises his profile (and he seems to have an obsessive need to have people like him, which is what makes the fact that he gets booed everywhere he goes so damn funny)

He knows that you can't just tell people things and deny them later without massively damaging that profile which he works so hard to maintain.

Further to this, when you say:

By saying "I will" or "they can have 40% if they want it", he is not obliged to send a contract with 40%

He's wouldn't be obliged to in any case because the principle of pre-contractual misrepresentation doesn't apply to boxing contracts. This is because fight contracts (like a huge number of business contracts) contain "Entire Agreement Clauses" which protect the contracting parties from being held to statements that they may have said to the media or to one another before the contracts are entered into.

So it's not a case of him being "careful with his words". Without wanting to be a d*ck about it, it's more likely that you're just seeing something that you want to see... which isn't there.

I guess the expectation from your side is that Hearn is a genuine promoter who is incapable of misleading the public with his words. Team Wilder has been more than open with their feeling that Hearn is full of it. Accordingly, they aren't going to call him and ask "hey, did you mean it when you said that if we wanted 40% we can have it. Both Team Wilder and Team Fury took on the mindset, we have a big fight guaranteed between the two of us, lets focus on that and if Hearn sends in a blow us away deal, we'll take it. To be honest, even a 40% deal isn't a blow them away deal because they both feel they are there already and will clearly deserve 50-50 upon winning the rematch.

So out of context, the statement is huge. However, based on when the statement was made, it isn't. That's why I said, Hearn should have made this offer last year, preferably the day after the Fury Wilder fight. Instead, he just reminded them that he'd sent that 35% offer before the fight.

[The plunger man]

I refuse to have boxing conversations with agenda driven idiots like you. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

its a simple fact based reply that shows that wilder has been offered his biggest fighter ever , for all the belts , in front of a crowd that is 6 x his highest and with a guaranteed uk ppv audience of 2 million.
So if thats a fact tell me am i lying ?

[just the facts]

its a simple fact based reply that shows that wilder has been offered his biggest fighter ever , for all the belts , in front of a crowd that is 6 x his highest and with a guaranteed uk ppv audience of 2 million.
So if thats a fact tell me am i lying ?

Read my post again, slowly if you need to.

[Marchegiano]

Reckon of the two Fury is more sured to beat Josh, but, obviously, I think both those guys beat the brakes off Josh.