[PROOF] GGG Amatuer Wins Inflated

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  • Ogecca MaMa
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    #11
    Originally posted by McNulty
    This isn't an attack on GGG, but all of these Eastern Bloc Amateurs with the bizillion Am's wins.

    Lets just litely crunch the numbers for a minute here and try and make sense out of it.

    Amateur Record: Widely reported as 345-5, but records show he had at least 8 losses.

    Source: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ge...Amateur_Career

    In GGG's last 5 years as an Amateur his record was 43-8

    Source:




    Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2...d-pick-fights/

    GGG was born in 1982 so that would make it 1992 when he was 10 year's old. The record I provided ^ is from 2000 until 2005 when he retired. That leaves us 7-8 years.

    Ok 7-8 years, what does that have to do with anything?

    Depending on which numbers you agree/disagree with we're looking at ~300 fights in 7-8 years time.

    300 fights in 8 years time = 37.5 which means GGG would have fought 38 weeks out of 52 weeks for 8 years straight.

    300 fights in 7 years time = 42.8 which means GGG would have fought 43 weeks out of 52 weeks annually for 8 years straight.

    Not only is he fighting almost every week, but he's winning every week. Take into consideration too that his first year of Boxing training at 10 years old he probably didn't fight.

    That means 300 fights in 6 years is exactly 50. Thats every dang week for 6 years he's fighting AND winning???

    But for the last 5 years of his Am's career he only fights 10.2x per year???

    This shít don't make sense. The numbers don't add up. I knew these motherfùckers been lying the whole time.

    Why can't I find his entire record in 2019? How come Lomochenko's record doesn't exist either or any other of those guys with the 250+ wins either?
    clueless idiot. you did all this writing, without having no ****ing Clue about amateur system.

    why im ashamed of opening my mouth at any other sports, where ive got no idea of whats happening. but here we have tons of experts that never even trained, let along compete..but hey they do the math here, claiming others fraud.

    6-9min fights, 3-5 fights per event. every 2nd week there is some sort of amateur tournament. now do the math
    Last edited by Ogecca MaMa; 01-28-2019, 07:30 AM.

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    • NChristo
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      #12
      Love how you just say Easter Bloc" as if to say the American records are flawless and aren't altered at all, 2 official losses on Ray Robinson's amateur record and if you bring it up to people (I answer a lot of boxing **** on Quora.com, not the best site obviously but feels kinda good to speak to no nothings on there that think they're something in the boxing community and prove them wrong, it's the place dellusional ****s go when they can't hold their own in an argument here so a bit of questioning with the bird brains is kinda fun), in different places they will actually scream non stop that Robinson was undefeated when he wasn't, like there's some kinda mystiique in having a champion who hasn't lost a fight since they were x year old and if you examine said boxer it's an iinsult to their country.

      Could be factual, could be that their country, followers, fans etc knock a loss or 2 off their career to try and give a little extra to their light. Point no amateur boxer is going to have someone inflate their record when they turn pro because there's no 100% check up, you simply cannot trace every single amateur fight someone has had especially back then and the better an amateur boxer looks chances are the faster they can elevate them too fame.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Ogecca MaMa
        clueless idiot. you did all this writing, without having no ****ing Clue about amateur system.

        why im ashamed of opening my mouth at any other sports, where ive got no idea of whats happening. but here we have tons of experts that never even trained, let along compete..but hey they do the math here, claiming others fraud.

        6-9min fights, 3-5 fights per event. every 2nd week there is

        some sort of amateur tournament. now do the math
        Such is NSB my dude, how dare you say someone has to do some research and put some actual effort into what they're posting.

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          #14
          Originally posted by DreamFighter
          Seeing as he got beat by the first elite he faced, its actually no surprise its fictitious. He still has a stellar amateur record though, you cannot take that away from him even if he couldnt fully transfer that success to pro boxing.
          If you're referring to the first Canelo fight, Golovkin should've gotten the decision and pretty much anyone with a brain knows it.

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          • DreamFighter
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            #15
            Originally posted by Derranged
            If you're referring to the first Canelo fight, Golovkin should've gotten the decision and pretty much anyone with a brain knows it.
            no, a draw was acceptable and I have no need to try to make a sweeping statement in order to validate it, I have the result to validate my statement.

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              #16
              Originally posted by DreamFighter
              no, a draw was acceptable and I have no need to try to make a sweeping statement in order to validate it, I have the result to validate my statement.
              Even if a draw was the right call, that's not a loss. So he wasn't "beat".

              Nice try doe.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Derranged
                Even if a draw was the right call, that's not a loss. So he wasn't "beat".

                Nice try doe.
                you mean nice fail yourself, as I clearly wrote "GGG got beat by the first elite he faced". I categorically didnt say "first time he faced him".



                now you admit your mistake, or choose not to, np.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by DreamFighter
                  you mean nice fail yourself, as I clearly wrote "GGG got beat by the first elite he faced". I categorically didnt say "first time he faced him".



                  now you admit your mistake, or choose not to, np.
                  Kinda splitting hairs but whatever. Cheers.

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                    • McNulty
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by NChristo
                      Love how you just say Easter Bloc" as if to say the American records are flawless and aren't altered at all, 2 official losses on Ray Robinson's amateur record and if you bring it up to people (I answer a lot of boxing **** on Quora.com, not the best site obviously but feels kinda good to speak to no nothings on there that think they're something in the boxing community and prove them wrong, it's the place dellusional ****s go when they can't hold their own in an argument here so a bit of questioning with the bird brains is kinda fun), in different places they will actually scream non stop that Robinson was undefeated when he wasn't, like there's some kinda mystiique in having a champion who hasn't lost a fight since they were x year old and if you examine said boxer it's an iinsult to their country.

                      Could be factual, could be that their country, followers, fans etc knock a loss or 2 off their career to try and give a little extra to their light. Point no amateur boxer is going to have someone inflate their record when they turn pro because there's no 100% check up, you simply cannot trace every single amateur fight someone has had especially back then and the better an amateur boxer looks chances are the faster they can elevate them too fame.
                      Bro, Ray does not have two official losses on his Am's record. There is no proof (official) that Ray lost to Billy Graham or Pasquale Pesca. Look deeper.

                      You're comparing record keeping from the 40's compared to 80 fùcking years later like it had any bearing on this argument? Record keeping from almost 100 years later should be the same? Are you on drugs son?

                      Originally posted by Ogecca MaMa
                      clueless idiot. you did all this writing, without having no ****ing Clue about amateur system.

                      why im ashamed of opening my mouth at any other sports, where ive got no idea of whats happening. but here we have tons of experts that never even trained, let along compete..but hey they do the math here, claiming others fraud.

                      6-9min fights, 3-5 fights per event. every 2nd week there is some sort of amateur tournament. now do the math
                      I know about the Am's, lived it. How about you? How many fights you got? Zero, that's right. How many world or domestic champs have you trained and sparred with side-by-side? Zero? Oo that's right, I forgot!

                      What 11 year-old kid is fighting in tournaments that are 3-5 days long? The math still doesn't add up you fùckwit.

                      Boxingscene eats the link but here it is in bits:



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                      Records/Golovkin_Gennadiy.html



                      2000 Brandenburg Cup: 2 fights
                      2000 World Jr Champs: 5 fights
                      2000 total = 7* fights (*partial)

                      2001 Grand Prix Tournament: 3 fights
                      2001 East-Asian Games: 3 fights
                      2001 total = 6 fights

                      2002 Chemistry Cup: 3 fights
                      2002 Kings Cup: 1 fight
                      2002 World Cup: 4 fights
                      2002 Asian Games: 4 fights
                      2002 total = 12 fights

                      2003 Ahmet Comert: 1 fight
                      2003 Dual USA-KZK: 1 fight
                      2003 World Champs: 5 fights
                      2003 total = 7 fights

                      2004 Asian Champs: 3 fights
                      2004 Olympic Test Event: 3 fights
                      2004 Golden Belt: 1 fight
                      2004 Olympic Games: 4 fights
                      2004 total: 12 fights

                      2005 Chowdry Cup: 1 fight
                      2005 Chemie Pokal: 1 fight
                      2005 World Cup: 3 fights
                      2005 Amber Gloves: 1 fight
                      2005 World Champs: 2 fights
                      2005 total: 8 fights

                      7*, 6, 12, 7, 12, 8 fights per year is what we have documentated.

                      So when does the 50 fights/year start? In the partial record I've provided, he's got nowhere near 50 fights/year, not even 50% for half that figure!!! They better start in 2000 right before my partial record shows because if not, new math will raise the water level.

                      Where is your link to GGG's entire Amateur career or any AM's career from the Eastern Bloc? Lets see your resource materials.
                      Last edited by McNulty; 01-28-2019, 02:06 PM.

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