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  • Spoon23
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    #11
    Originally posted by KTFOKING
    Pacman is much better than Broner. He is the smarter boxer sure. But that doesn't make my statement not true. Pacquiao did miss a lot and some of the misses were pretty bad misses. When he jabbed and feinted, he was able to land shots. But other times he was whiffing on his shots.
    Like I said, It can't be pretty when one man doesn't want to move forward and let his hands go. Manny has a short reach. He couldn't land his right hook coz Broner didn't want to even try to punch forward/ He was at a back foot looking to counter, thus, Pac was cautious to go in.. That made Pac feint and fake punches to lure Broner. It's the nature of the fight.

    Broner was in a shell defense. Hard to get in when your opponent doesn't want to open fight. Pac only had some limited opening and still got in with those vicious body punches and crisp punches to the head.
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      #12
      Originally posted by Spoon23
      Like I said, It can't pretty when one man doesn't want to move forward. Manny has a short reach. He couldn't land his right hook coz Broner didn't want to even try to punch forward/ He was at a back foot looking to counter, thus, Pac was cautious to go in.. That made Pac feint and fake punches to lure Broner. It's the nature of the fight.

      Broner was in a shell defense. Hard to get in when your opponent doesn't want to open fight. Pac only had some limited opening and still got in with those vicious body punches and crisp punches to the head.
      Pacquiao could have done better if he jabbed more. Sometimes he wouldn't even set his punches up and just try to jump in and Broner was making him miss badly. But during the middle rounds where Pacquiao would feint and jab in? He started to land some big shots. Maidana/Porter/Garcia all tagged Broner up a lot more than Pacquiao did. Now, did Garcia or Porter ever hurt Broner like Pacquiao did? No, so props there. But it is what it is, Pacquiao was missing a lot and that's not a lie.

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        #13
        Originally posted by KTFOKING
        Pacquiao could have done better if he jabbed more. Sometimes he wouldn't even set his punches up and just try to jump in and Broner was making him miss badly. But during the middle rounds where Pacquiao would feint and jab in? He started to land some big shots. Maidana/Porter/Garcia all tagged Broner up a lot more than Pacquiao did. Now, did Garcia or Porter ever hurt Broner like Pacquiao did? No, so props there. But it is what it is, Pacquiao was missing a lot and that's not a lie.
        Huh?

        Could have done better?

        Didn't you see boxingscene score card its 10 rounds to 2.

        That's domination bud. Smart domination. It's not about trading nonsense blows. This was a chess match.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Spoon23
          Huh?

          Could have done better?

          Didn't you see boxingscene score card its 10 rounds to 2.

          That's domination bud. Smart domination. It's not about trading nonsense blows. This was a chess match.
          Sure, but he definitely could have done a better job in landing more shots. He did dominate scorecard wise no doubt. Pacquiao's defense was still good and was still out landing Broner by a good amount.

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            #15
            Originally posted by KTFOKING
            Sure, but he definitely could have done a better job in landing more shots. He did dominate scorecard wise no doubt. Pacquiao's defense was still good and was still out landing Broner by a good amount.
            Dude if an opponent does not punch there is no opening. Openings happens when you fire. Broner didn't throw much that's why there was not much action. He shelled up. It was smart of Pacquiao not to get timed when Broner obviously was just waiting to time for a counter.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Spoon23
              Dude if an opponent does not punch there is no opening. Openings happens when you fire. Broner didn't throw much that's why there was not much action. He shelled up. It was smart of Pacquiao not to get timed when Broner obviously was just waiting to time for a counter.
              So if Broner fought Spence, do you honestly think we are talking about "no openings" or no? Of course when a fighter fights defensive there will be less openings, but a fighter can still create them. And Pacman could have forced Broner to even throw more than he would have wanted to. Broner for most of the fight didn't feel threatened to throw much as he saw most of Pacquiao's shots. But Pacquiao's jab in spots and his defense for much of the fight were sharp.

              Pacquiao clearly won and it's impressive he could do this at the age of 40 considering his size and style. Let's leave it at that.

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                #17
                Originally posted by KTFOKING
                Pacman is much better than Broner. He is the smarter boxer sure. But that doesn't make my statement not true. Pacquiao did miss a lot and some of the misses were pretty bad misses. When he jabbed and feinted, he was able to land shots. But other times he was whiffing on his shots.
                There wasn't enough openings. Remember in boxing openings are created when you're opponent throws at you. Broner wasn't throwing.. Thus he was shelled. Hard to connect to an opponent who is only trying to survive and time you while being shelled the whole time. That's basically why Pac was wasting some punches that didn't land. There wasn't any openings. Pac was trying to make it into a fight, but even if broner was losing on points due to inn-activity he still stayed shelled up, thus, Pac had to create a way to open FORT KNOX and had to waste punches to lure him out.

                Pac couldn't have landed more shots. Broner has to throw to create openings, but that didn't happen. Pac was smart to know when to score. Pac was ahead.. It was Broner who needed to engage to win, but he still didn't. Broner shelled up coz he tasted Pac's power. He didn't want none of that. Broner was timing and waiting for that one sweet counter that will Floor Pac. That was easier to do for him, that's why Broner remained dangerous for 12 rounds, because all he was doing is waiting and waiting for that one big counter right which never happened because Pacquiao was wise enough to know when to attack and wasn't clumsy in the ring.
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by KTFOKING
                  So if Broner fought Spence, do you honestly think we are talking about "no openings" or no? Of course when a fighter fights defensive there will be less openings, but a fighter can still create them. And Pacman could have forced Broner to even throw more than he would have wanted to. Broner for most of the fight didn't feel threatened to throw much as he saw most of Pacquiao's shots. But Pacquiao's jab in spots and his defense for much of the fight were sharp.

                  Pacquiao clearly won and it's impressive he could do this at the age of 40 considering his size and style. Let's leave it at that.
                  Pac did create and won 10 rounds. It wasn't pretty but that's all he needed to do. Broner had to let his hands go coz he was losing in the score cards and yet Broner stayed defensive, so Pac coasted and not risk getting countered. At the end of the day it was smart and the right thing to do in Pac's end. Pac was being timed from round 1 - 12, and Broner couldn't do it, because Pac was illusive. That's a testament on how good Pac was. Pac did what must be done, if Broner fired shots Pac would have found the openings and made this an exciting fight, but broner was scared to open up because Broner has tasted Pac's power and would rather survive. It wasn't necessary to waste punches for Pac. He is a vet who knows when its needed to turn it up. It was Broner who should have turn it up, but he didn't so this is what you got a fight were in one was active and the other was there to survive. It takes 2 to tango bud.
                  Last edited by Spoon23; 01-20-2019, 11:35 PM.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by KTFOKING
                    So if Broner fought Spence, do you honestly think we are talking about "no openings" or no?
                    If Broner fought Spence it's a different fight. Pac is a mid range fight not a phone booth fighter. Spence will be like the Maidana fight with Broner a phone booth dirty fight. Pac is not into that kind of fight. Styles makes fight. At the end of the day. Pac did enough from what he got from what his opponent was giving based on how Pac fights. What pac did was methodical and crafty, he didn't need to fight it dirty. He just had to stack on points which he did.
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Spoon23
                      If Broner fought Spence it's a different fight. Differrent fight. Pac is a mid range fight not a phone booth fighter. Spence will be like the Maidana fight with Broner a phone booth dirty fight. Pac is not into that kind of fight. Styles makes fight. At the end of the day. Pac did enough from what he got from what his opponent was giving based on how Pac fights. What pac did was methodical and craft, he didn't need to fight it dirty. He just had to stack on points which he did.
                      Okay, when did I say Pac didn't do enough or didn't win clearly? Why do you keep repeating that? I've already said that. But you are lying to yourself if you don't think Pac was missing so many shots since he would just come in without setting anything up. When he would jab or go to the body or counter, he had his best moments. There were times Pacquiao would just rush in and Broner would see it coming.

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