Bets In: Pac/Broner goes to a controversial draw

[Combat Talk Radio]

I could very well be wrong. But think about it.

This fight is ripe for a manufactured trilogy setup. Plus the rumors of facing Mayweather (which I think are BS, frankly), Pac fighting tentative against Broner who shells up for 11 rounds...

But let's look at the officials.

Russell Mora, the ref, is the one who happily allowed Mares/Agbeko. Yeah, I've got your attention now, don't I?

Glenn Feldman, Judge 1, is known for scoring draws when one fighter is clearly outboxing the other because he just favors general action, vs. effective aggression. He punished Floyd in MayPac when Floyd took two rounds off despite Manny not landing anything of note. Recent notable was Canelo/GGG 2 but there were others.


Dave Moretti is generally neutral, but he tends to score defense higher than aggression. Which is fine, but that means that if he's doing a fight where one fighter is a natural aggressor and one is a natural defender, the defender almost always gets the lean. Case-in-point: Canelo (Moretti is almost always one of his judges).


Tim Cheatham has limited big fight judging experience. He was the only judge to properly score Farmer/Ogawa and tends to favor accuracy of punches over power or impact. So if you land 10 jabs, you're going to get his score vs. your opponent that landed 2 power shots to the body.


So you got a judge who just wants them throwing, a judge who likes defense, and a judge who likes accuracy. We've got one fighter who now fights cautious for 6 rounds and doesn't really engage like he used to unless he gets his opponent hurt, and another fighter who largely defends and lands potshots with little power, but has one of the highest accuracy stats in the current crop and doesn't ever really get hurt post-Maidana.

To me - and I could very well be wrong - this is a recipe for a draw. A controversial draw.

[Madison Boxing]

Im more shocked when the judges award the correct winner these days, so yea a robbery wouldnt be a surprise at all.

[_original_]

You could be right. Draws are the new thing to set up rematches. But I'm picking Manny to win 9-10 rounds and I don't think Haymon wants to start off on the wrong foot with Manny.

[N!Ck F.]

Im more shocked when the judges award the correct winner these days, so yea a robbery wouldnt be a surprise at all.

Remember how badly Pacquiao dominated Bradley in their first fight, lost the decision then they went on to fight 2 more times.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Remember how badly Pacquiao dominated Bradley in their first fight, lost the decision then they went on to fight 2 more times.

Manny didn't dominate Bradley in the first fight. It was close either way - and shouldn't have been.

Most are reacting to Bradley's clumsiness when Pac was overwhelming him with speed and his ankle/foot injury, but by and large it was a close match up.

Then Manny almost lost the second fight and dominated the third.

The question is - was that more Bradley being clumsy and having a poor gameplan/trainer or Pacquiao being good? Because to me, Bradley took Manny the distance three times just like Marquez did, which isn't good.

[pnksntdead]

Manny didn't dominate Bradley in the first fight. It was close either way - and shouldn't have been.

Most are reacting to Bradley's clumsiness when Pac was overwhelming him with speed and his ankle/foot injury, but by and large it was a close match up.

Then Manny almost lost the second fight and dominated the third.

The question is - was that more Bradley being clumsy and having a poor gameplan/trainer or Pacquiao being good? Because to me, Bradley took Manny the distance three times just like Marquez did, which isn't good.

Lol at the first fight was close. Worst robbery in a high profile fight in recent memory. Bradley came to fight in the first few rounds, go his veaten up and then went on pure survival mode. He never even tried to win after the first few rounds.

The second was a close, good fight until the championship rounds, where experience took over. Bradley injured himself again trying to keep up. This fight showed Bradley to be a good fighter, able to hang for a few rounds, but unable to get over the hump vs Manny.

The third was close for the first 3-4 rounds, then Bradley figured he couldn’t outbox Pac and started swinging haymakers. That’s where it all unravelled for him.

If Bradley can be awarded win vs Manny in their first fight, then a controversial decision isn’t shocking any more. Bradley is was better then Broner, though. However, Manny is also wayolder

[abracada]

I could very well be wrong. But think about it.

This fight is ripe for a manufactured trilogy setup. Plus the rumors of facing Mayweather (which I think are BS, frankly), Pac fighting tentative against Broner who shells up for 11 rounds...

But let's look at the officials.

Russell Mora, the ref, is the one who happily allowed Mares/Agbeko. Yeah, I've got your attention now, don't I?

Glenn Feldman, Judge 1, is known for scoring draws when one fighter is clearly outboxing the other because he just favors general action, vs. effective aggression. He punished Floyd in MayPac when Floyd took two rounds off despite Manny not landing anything of note. Recent notable was Canelo/GGG 2 but there were others.


Dave Moretti is generally neutral, but he tends to score defense higher than aggression. Which is fine, but that means that if he's doing a fight where one fighter is a natural aggressor and one is a natural defender, the defender almost always gets the lean. Case-in-point: Canelo (Moretti is almost always one of his judges).


Tim Cheatham has limited big fight judging experience. He was the only judge to properly score Farmer/Ogawa and tends to favor accuracy of punches over power or impact. So if you land 10 jabs, you're going to get his score vs. your opponent that landed 2 power shots to the body.


So you got a judge who just wants them throwing, a judge who likes defense, and a judge who likes accuracy. We've got one fighter who now fights cautious for 6 rounds and doesn't really engage like he used to unless he gets his opponent hurt, and another fighter who largely defends and lands potshots with little power, but has one of the highest accuracy stats in the current crop and doesn't ever really get hurt post-Maidana.

To me - and I could very well be wrong - this is a recipe for a draw. A controversial draw.

How can it be a draw if Pacquiao KOs Broner

[Combat Talk Radio]

Lol at the first fight was close. Worst robbery in a high profile fight in recent memory. Bradley came to fight in the first few rounds, go his veaten up and then went on pure survival mode. He never even tried to win after the first few rounds

Manny gave away 5 rounds of the first fight. That means Bradley only needed to win two - and I gave him one decisive. That's a draw in my eyes - and there was one swing round.

Either Pac, Bradley or draw would have been acceptable. But the point is, it shouldn't have been allowed to get that close in the first place. This is Manny Pacquiao we're talking about. Same problem as when he faced The Hornet.

Besides, lest we forget the presser for the first fight:



Mighty funny, don't you think?

How can it be a draw if Pacquiao KOs Broner

Unlike in Kuala Lumpur, there's random blood and urine testing this time around.

[tatot]

Manny gave away 5 rounds of the first fight. That means Bradley only needed to win two - and I gave him one decisive. That's a draw in my eyes - and there was one swing round.

Either Pac, Bradley or draw would have been acceptable. But the point is, it shouldn't have been allowed to get that close in the first place. This is Manny Pacquiao we're talking about. Same problem as when he faced The Hornet.

Besides, lest we forget the presser for the first fight:



Mighty funny, don't you think?





Unlike in Kuala Lumpur, there's random blood and urine testing this time around.

So, what are you trying to imply? lol

[Combat Talk Radio]

So, what are you trying to imply? lol

I was the one that said Horn would take Manny the distance despite numerous people predicting a knockout.

I was the one that kept saying Bradley would beat Manny in the first fight.

The first fight where there's NO random drug testing and Roach (who was against Ariza's special shakes) is out of the way, Manny gets a knockout.

Now you got a Manny Pacquiao who is essentially subject to Floyd Mayweather's rules, a guy who claims to want to try to help Broner get back on track. And now Roach is back in the mix trying to sell the fight.

Manny would have to go all out like Jacobs did against Quillin in order to get Broner out of there and I frankly am not sure Manny has that within him. He didn't even do that against a zombie Lucas.

Again, I might very well be wrong. All I'm saying is that the signs don't point to a dominant Manny blowout.