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  • Eff Pandas
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    #11
    Originally posted by Socialtwinkie
    Thing is too, hes a hypocrite because the most money would be made unifying 135 with Lomachenko on ESPN which he can fight for because hes a free agent.
    I highly doubt Bob was offering as much money or more for Loma as Al is for Spence. I definitely think Mikey goes where the money is. And if it was more money it certainly wasn't without options or other bs Mikey is smart enough to avoid now.

    I also think he's two steps ahead of most boxers & fans in general. Cuz even if the money WAS better with Arum the play here is STILL fighting Spence.

    I mean legit think about it. If he wins he's a huge player at 147 & is catching paydays left & right & hell maybe he could even be in play for some crazy Floyd comeback fight payday if he got really lucky.

    And if he loses he was supposed to lose & can move back down to fight Loma or whoever is offering the best money. The Loma fight at 135 is still viable after catching an L to Spence at 147. I don't think many would say a Spence fight at 147 is viable after a Loma L at 135.

    Granted a Loma W at 135 could boost his pay for Spence at 147, but personnally I don't think he's winning either of those fights (although Loma getting dropped by Linares does give me a lil more of a feel of a close fight than I previously had) + there is nothing all that great at 135 if he wins except a Loma rematch.

    The move is 147 for the dare to be great play. And if it turns out Mikey isn't great at 147 he can chase greatness one more time at 135 do over style.

    Mikey is the smartest mfer getting hit in the head for money right now I think. And I keep saying Mikey's best days are post-boxing which isn't something I'm saying about too many guys in this business.

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    • R-Hand Southpaw
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      #12
      Originally posted by Eff Pandas
      I highly doubt Bob was offering as much money or more for Loma as Al is for Spence. I definitely think Mikey goes where the money is. And if it was more money it certainly wasn't without options or other bs Mikey is smart enough to avoid now.

      I also think he's two steps ahead of most boxers & fans in general. Cuz even if the money WAS better with Arum the play here is STILL fighting Spence.

      I mean legit think about it. If he wins he's a huge player at 147 & is catching paydays left & right & hell maybe he could even be in play for some crazy Floyd comeback fight payday if he got really lucky.

      And if he loses he was supposed to lose & can move back down to fight Loma or whoever is offering the best money. The Loma fight at 135 is still viable after catching an L to Spence at 147. I don't think many would say a Spence fight at 147 is viable after a Loma L at 135.

      Granted a Loma W at 135 could boost his pay for Spence at 147, but personnally I don't think he's winning either of those fights (although Loma getting dropped by Linares does give me a lil more of a feel of a close fight than I previously had) + there is nothing all that great at 135 if he wins except a Loma rematch.

      The move is 147 for the dare to be great play. And if it turns out Mikey isn't great at 147 he can chase greatness one more time at 135 do over style.

      Mikey is the smartest mfer getting hit in the head for money right now I think. And I keep saying Mikey's best days are post-boxing which isn't something I'm saying about too many guys in this business.
      I 100% agree with this.

      What irks me though are his fans. Claiming **** like "daring to be great".

      That's all it is on the surface. He sold them a story and they ate it up. It's not really daring to be great. It's a calculated risk with built in safety nets. A business decision.

      Daring to be great is about legacy.

      Mikey is doing this because its the best business decision he had left and could make. Losing to Lomachenko literally ends his career.

      Mikey isnt a big name. Hes not a big draw. He thinks he is, but truth is hes not.

      He needs this publicity. If he loses to lomachenko what does he do? Who does he fight? No one with a big name. No one who can make him a lot of money. He could fight Linares, but that's a already a fight he rejected and someone Lomachenko already beat. He would be right back at the bottom again and would have to work his way up.

      If he lost to Lomachenko, then a potential spence fight would NEVER happen as he doesnt have that "invincibility " anymore and wouldn't sell. Who would Mikey Garcia be? Hes already like 31. He doesnt have anymore time. He cant rebuild himself.

      This is the FAR riskier risk.

      Spence is just a low risk high reward decision for Mikey. If he loses he loses nothing. If he wins he wins everything.

      Easy choice. Yet his fans deny this.

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      • _Rexy_
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        #13
        Strange, I could have sworn Mikey vacated because he didn’t like the purse split, and decided to fight Lipnits.

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          #14
          I think Linares would have fought Mikey, and would have got wrecked.

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          • Eff Pandas
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            #15
            Originally posted by Socialtwinkie
            I 100% agree with this.

            What irks me though are his fans. Claiming **** like "daring to be great".

            That's all it is on the surface. He sold them a story and they ate it up. It's not really daring to be great. It's a calculated risk with built in safety nets. A business decision.

            Daring to be great is about legacy.
            One could say the same about what RJJ did in his jump up in weight. And others.

            If it backfired & he would have lost that decision would have been seen as no lose business decision. With a W it enhanced his legacy in boxing.

            So it can be both things at the same time & only the outcome of the fight will define it ultimately.

            I don't see anything wrong with that approach. Its a intelligent move while still testing your skills vs other top fighters skills. Too many top fighters waste their primes not fighting any no lose or hell no win fights ffs.

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              #16
              Originally posted by mcdonalds
              Everyone knew linares was nothing special. He was only hyped up by loma fans, and the British for beating their fighters
              How are Loma fans hyping him up? He was the #1 at LW on every list, wba champion and the ring magazine lineal champion. Loma first fight at 135 too.

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              • mind_blown
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                #17
                Can't believe people already forgot that Mikey had a bad split up with Bob Arum of Top Rank. Arum will not make any deals with Mikey any time soon lol.. Loma needs Mikey more than Mikey needs Loma I think...

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                • filup79
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by _Rexy_
                  Strange, I could have sworn Mikey vacated because he didn’t like the purse split, and decided to fight Lipnits.
                  Vacated what? The Linares fight didn't get made because Oscar was asking for a 50/50 split for Linares when Linares is no draw. Mikey has been fighting in front of 10k plus while Linares couldn't put 3k at The Forum when he headlined.

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                  • filup79
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by daggum
                    mikey is the one that didn't take the fight. he said he received a better offer to fight lipinets which is either bollocks or haymon is crazy for giving him more to fight lipinets and steering him in that direction
                    The fight didn't happen because Oscar priced out Linares. Oscar wanted a 50/50 split when Linares has never been a draw. Mikey has been fighting in front of 10k+ while Linares can't even bring in 3k to his fights, I should know cause I was at the Forum when he headlined there. Big reason why GB would always sent Linares to the UK for fights. Linares was hyped up by GB, the Ring Mag writers and GB kissasses Steve Kim, Montoya and Dougie.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by RetroSpeed05
                      I think Linares is good fighter but he cant handle a bigger fighter he would have not handled Mikey who has the power and boxing ability.

                      Look at his last fights-

                      Crolla x2, Campbell- not big punchers, and had close 1st fight with Crolla and Campbell fight was close despite Campbell getting dropped,

                      Gesta- who?

                      Loma- smaller fighter coming up in weight, not a lot of power who tore his shoulder in the second round and still manged to KO him.

                      Cotto- lol

                      I know some thought it would be close or Mikey was ducking but here's another pressure fighter that just blasted him.

                      According to pips here Mikey ducked linares and loma because he’s so scared of them that he then proceeds to fight a guy who can KO them all 3 in one night lol

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