Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz To Face Christian Hammer, March 2 At Barclays

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Kownacki and Washington are both fighting each other, ironically this Saturday. I've been looking forward to it

Pulev is fighting Helinus. Breazeale just fought last month. Rivas fought last weekend.

You put Miller on your list twice. I know that was just a mistake but I'm still gonna give you a hard time about it...making your list look all longer and **** Plus, Miller just signed up for that ****** WBA tournament that shouldn't be happening.

So that leaves Whyte, Martin, Povetkin, and Parker.

Martin and Povetkin are both coming off losses and likely to take softer touches (though I would love to see Povetkin vs Ortiz) Parker is on the comeback trail, and the Whyte garbage happened last month. I'd love to see him fight Whyte or Parker also, unfortunately you can't force guys to fight you. I got excited when Joyce called him out a few weeks ago, but then I woke up yesterday to read that Joe Joyce is fighting Bermaine Stiverne (WTF?)

Ortiz fought last month too! Why don't you mention that? Doesn't stop him from scheduling another fight Should he rather take a fight instantly against a guy no one ever asked him to fight and no one wants him to fight AND a guy who will put up absolutely zero for him. I mean, this is a guy Tyson Fury played with, who's coach at the time called him a journeyman mid fight and that was four years ago.

Also, Whyte offered Ortiz a PPV fight for last month but Ortiz would rather fight a journeyman on an undercard. That tells you a lot about the guy.

Well done on trying to say Hammer is a better option than Parker and Povetkin That was a good try!

Is Pulev vs Helenius official? Could Ortiz have offered either a fight or gotten in touch with either? Yes he could. Did he? No.

This guy has a great habit of fighting someone far out of the top 20 - not boxrec top 20, but legit top 20, and claiming everyone else is busy or don't want to fight him which is laughable considering he was just offered a PPV fight against the #4-5 heavyweight last month and rejected it.

Ortiz has one plan, and that's to face bums until he gets a title shot. That's his plan because he's 50 years old and doesn't have the stamina to fight at top level. He was blowing out of his ass after that 7th round against Wilder, which is pretty bad considering the fight was fought at such a slow pace until that point.

He wants one more payday against a champion and is not willing to fight his way there, because he'll probably lose against the younger guys.

Also, he's just totally overrated.

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Wilder was still Ortiz's opponent that day. So yes, he has fought someone who was more than just barely noteworthy since 2015.

I can't get the point across to your peanut sized brain.

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Ortiz fought last month too! Why don't you mention that? Doesn't stop him from scheduling another fight Should he rather take a fight instantly against a guy no one ever asked him to fight and no one wants him to fight AND a guy who will put up absolutely zero for him. I mean, this is a guy Tyson Fury played with, who's coach at the time called him a journeyman mid fight and that was four years ago.

Also, Whyte offered Ortiz a PPV fight for last month but Ortiz would rather fight a journeyman on an undercard. That tells you a lot about the guy.

Well done on trying to say Hammer is a better option than Parker and Povetkin That was a good try!

Is Pulev vs Helenius official? Could Ortiz have offered either a fight or gotten in touch with either? Yes he could. Did he? No.

This guy has a great habit of fighting someone far out of the top 20 - not boxrec top 20, but legit top 20, and claiming everyone else is busy or don't want to fight him which is laughable considering he was just offered a PPV fight against the #4-5 heavyweight last month and rejected it.

Ortiz has one plan, and that's to face bums until he gets a title shot. That's his plan because he's 50 years old and doesn't have the stamina to fight at top level. He was blowing out of his ass after that 7th round against Wilder, which is pretty bad considering the fight was fought at such a slow pace until that point.

He wants one more payday against a champion and is not willing to fight his way there, because he'll probably lose against the younger guys.

Also, he's just totally overrated.

I never said Hammer was a better option than Parker and povetkin, I thought I said the opposite actually. I just don’t think either would take the fight. They’re both on the comeback trail js the argument I was making. Plus Parker has looked like he doesn’t even care about Boxing at times (during fights)

And the Whyte thing was BS. Whyte challenges Ortiz, Ortiz accepted and then Whyte fought Chisora.

Pulev/Helinus is official I believe, but regardless nobody who is a mandatory is going to take a tough fight. Pulev wants no part of a top 10 fighter while he’s IBF mandatory.

Yes Ortiz fought last month (which I completely forgot) but Breazele fought a couple weeks ago, not December 1st. Also, he’s WBC mandatory. Same point I made about Pulev. (Not to mention Breazele would get destroyed by Ortiz or any counter puncher with some power. Dom’s Defense is atrocious and he was getting countered by Negron for rounds)

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I never said Hammer was a better option than Parker and povetkin, I thought I said the opposite actually. I just don’t think either would take the fight. They’re both on the comeback trail js the argument I was making. Plus Parker has looked like he doesn’t even care about Boxing at times (during fights)

And the Whyte thing was BS. Whyte challenges Ortiz, Ortiz accepted and then Whyte fought Chisora.

Pulev/Helinus is official I believe, but regardless nobody who is a mandatory is going to take a tough fight. Pulev wants no part of a top 10 fighter while he’s IBF mandatory.

Yes Ortiz fought last month (which I completely forgot) but Breazele fought a couple weeks ago, not December 1st. Also, he’s WBC mandatory. Same point I made about Pulev. (Not to mention Breazele would get destroyed by Ortiz or any counter puncher with some power. Dom’s Defense is atrocious and he was getting countered by Negron for rounds)

It seems like the consensus from you is that not a lot of people would want to fight Ortiz, so why bother trying to fight them, and that others would get destroyed - also without fighting.

I understand Ortiz has this boogeyman image, but nobody is scared of him. He was offered the fight for Whyte and fiddled around asking Whyte to fight on the undercard - Jay Jimenez said it in public. Completely ridiculous.

Basically Ortiz has never shown any willingness to fight anyone but someone who's going to pay him a lot of money. He didn't earn his shot in the first place, and fighting Hammer won't change anything.

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It seems like the consensus from you is that not a lot of people would want to fight Ortiz, so why bother trying to fight them, and that others would get destroyed - also without fighting.

I understand Ortiz has this boogeyman image, but nobody is scared of him. He was offered the fight for Whyte and fiddled around asking Whyte to fight on the undercard - Jay Jimenez said it in public. Completely ridiculous.

Basically Ortiz has never shown any willingness to fight anyone but someone who's going to pay him a lot of money. He didn't earn his shot in the first place, and fighting Hammer won't change anything.

I guess we will agree to disagree then. I don’t think Ortiz is a boogeyman, but I do believe he’s incredibly high risk/low reward.

The Whyte/Ortiz thing, yes Ortiz did offer to fight Whyte on the undercard. Whyte responded with saying to main event his card in the UK later that month, and Ortiz accepted. It never happened. Do I think Whyte is afraid of Ortiz? Afraid of taking the harder fight and taking an L maybe. Guys do have a habit of using Ortiz’ name and then not fighting him. Joyce said last month he wants Ortiz, again Ortiz accepted and now Joyce is fighting Bermaine Stiverne

Of the top 15 HW’s (boxrec has Hammer at #12 but we can ignore boxrec because it’s not reliable) only Parker, Whyte, Povetkin and Joshua are available. Joshua and Whyte are likely fighting each other. That leaves Joseph Parker, and Povetkin. I’d love to see either fight Ortiz, but I don’t see it happening. Especially Povetkin. Guys who just got KTFO dont jump right back into a top 5 fight (unless it’s a rematch or some crap) they typically go for a softer touch to get their confidence back, like Parker’s last fight.

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I guess we will agree to disagree then. I don’t think Ortiz is a boogeyman, but I do believe he’s incredibly high risk/low reward.

The Whyte/Ortiz thing, yes Ortiz did offer to fight Whyte on the undercard. Whyte responded with saying to main event his card in the UK later that month, and Ortiz accepted. It never happened. Do I think Whyte is afraid of Ortiz? Afraid of taking the harder fight and taking an L maybe. Guys do have a habit of using Ortiz’ name and then not fighting him. Joyce said last month he wants Ortiz, again Ortiz accepted and now Joyce is fighting Bermaine Stiverne

Of the top 15 HW’s (boxrec has Hammer at #12 but we can ignore boxrec because it’s not reliable) only Parker, Whyte, Povetkin and Joshua are available. Joshua and Whyte are likely fighting each other. That leaves Joseph Parker, and Povetkin. I’d love to see either fight Ortiz, but I don’t see it happening. Especially Povetkin. Guys who just got KTFO dont jump right back into a top 5 fight (unless it’s a rematch or some crap) they typically go for a softer touch to get their confidence back, like Parker’s last fight.

He accepted only after Chisora II was already a done deal. Remember, Whyte offered Ortiz the fight, not the other way around.

I guess that's true - Ortiz also just got GTFO and that's why he returned to do what he's been doing his whole career, which is to fight no hopers.

He's good, don't get me wrong. but he's overrated and his resume is ridiculously bad.

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He accepted only after Chisora II was already a done deal. Remember, Whyte offered Ortiz the fight, not the other way around.

I guess that's true - Ortiz also just got GTFO and that's why he returned to do what he's been doing his whole career, which is to fight no hopers.

He's good, don't get me wrong. but he's overrated and his resume is ridiculously bad.

Everyone’s resume is bad. The division has been a ****ing joke for 15 years and is finally starting to improve. Nobody has great names on their resume except for AJ, and people can easily say that they’re mostly names that were names 5-10 years ago.

The top 15 right now needs guys like Pulev, Ortiz, Takam, All the old guys from the Wlad era to just retire and be done. We need the young blood.

And the Whyte/Chisora II match was still being negotiated iirc. It was “known” that it was going to happen, but wasn’t signed and sealed.

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Everyone’s resume is bad. The division has been a ****ing joke for 15 years and is finally starting to improve. Nobody has great names on their resume except for AJ, and people can easily say that they’re mostly names that were names 5-10 years ago.

The top 15 right now needs guys like Pulev, Ortiz, Takam, All the old guys from the Wlad era to just retire and be done. We need the young blood.

And the Whyte/Chisora II match was still being negotiated iirc. It was “known” that it was going to happen, but wasn’t signed and sealed.

Whyte has a much better resume than Ortiz. Like a lot better. Chisora would legit be Ortiz's best win, which is crazy.

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Whyte has a much better resume than Ortiz. Like a lot better. Chisora would legit be Ortiz's best win, which is crazy.

Yeah, and I think Ortiz/Chisora would be a fantastic match.

But let’s not act like Whyte deserves both those wins. As overrated as I believe Whyte is, Chisora is equally underrated IMO. He’s gotten screwed over on every close fight he’s been in.

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Yeah, and I think Ortiz/Chisora would be a fantastic match.

But let’s not act like Whyte deserves both those wins. As overrated as I believe Whyte is, Chisora is equally underrated IMO. He’s gotten screwed over on every close fight he’s been in.

Why didn't he deserve both those wins? He knocked him clean out in one and had a close decision in the other that most agreed with.

He only really got screwed in the Helenius fight. Don't really remember another fight I think he got done in.

Whyte is underrated imo. People refuse to give him any credit for his wins, which basically are the best wins outside of Joshua/Wilder for the past three years.