Comments Thread For: Broner: When I Win This Fight, What Are They Gonna Say Then?

[Bluebird]

oh, so now he lost his killer instinct and that's why he stopped knocking people out? Meanwhile, every fight he had, roach kept saying how he's hitting harder than ever "the killer instinct is back" but all of a sudden guys like rios, vargas and algieri could go 12 with pac but cotto, Oscar and hatton couldn't? Lol. Ok. Question for you, do you think Marquez was juicing in the 4th fight with pac? Because I do. There's no definitive proof but I (along with many others) feel that it's pretty obvious he was. Same deal with pac.

Most people would think he was because in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd fight, he couldn’t even knock Pac down and he was younger at that time, but in the 4th fight, he was 39 and all of a sudden he knocked Pac down not once but twice, the 2nd one put him to sleep. Besides that, his conditioning coach was Memo Heredia, a well known PEDs supplier so I wouldn’t be surprised if people were su****ious. The truth is Marquez never tested positive for PEDs just like Pac so in my opinion, he was clean. Pac was about to knock Marquez out but he got careless and he run into a well timed punch that put him to sleep. I gave it to Marquez, he was the better man that night. He was the only one that really pushed Pac to the limit. In case you don’t know, when Pac fought Cotto, Dela Hoya and Hatton, he just started with politics so it didn’t take its toll on him yet. When he fought the other guys you mentioned, not only he was deeply involved with politics, he was also deeply involved with religion and those really put a dent in his boxing career.

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Most people would think he was because in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd fight, he couldn’t even knock Pac down and he was younger at that time, but in the 4th fight, he was 39 and all of a sudden he knocked Pac down not once but twice, the 2nd one put him to sleep. Besides that, his conditioning coach was Memo Heredia, a well known PEDs supplier so I wouldn’t be surprised if people were su****ious. The truth is Marquez never tested positive for PEDs just like Pac so in my opinion, he was clean. Pac was about to knock Marquez out but he got careless and he run into a well timed punch that put him to sleep. I gave it to Marquez, he was the better man that night. He was the only one that really pushed Pac to the limit. In case you don’t know, when Pac fought Cotto, Dela Hoya and Hatton, he just started with politics so it didn’t take its toll on him yet. When he fought the other guys you mentioned, not only he was deeply involved with politics, he was also deeply involved with religion and those really put a dent in his boxing career.

ok, and that's my point. There is good reason to believe Marquez was juicing. He went from barely even hurting pac in 36 rounds to dropping him and handing him one of the most brutal knockouts ever seen in boxing. Not to mention that at near 40,was in the most muscular shape of his life. Barry bonds who was already a great baseball player went from being a 30 - 40 homerun guy during his prime years to hitting over 70 homeruns in his mid/late 30s. Pac was a good puncher at lower weight classes but usually stopped opponents on accumulation. Historically when fighters move up in weight, their power won't translate the same vs bigger men. Pac moved up and flattened David Diaz at 135. He then pummeled Oscar into submission. He knocked hatton cold and even though it took 11 to stop cotto, that fight changed with a single punch that pac landed in the 4th round. He destroyed a much bigger maragaritos face and had iron chinned mosley running for dear life after dropping him. That's a big change. Then To go from that to having guys like rios, algieri & vargas go 12 is su****ious to me. That combined with Roach implicating ariza as a shady character who refused to tell him what he was giving pac. Not a good look.

[Warrior Scholar]

broners taking a loss to pac, out of his league. in fight prep and ring iq.

[Bluebird]

ok, and that's my point. There is good reason to believe Marquez was juicing. He went from barely even hurting pac in 36 rounds to dropping him and handing him one of the most brutal knockouts ever seen in boxing. Not to mention that at near 40,was in the most muscular shape of his life. Barry bonds who was already a great baseball player went from being a 30 - 40 homerun guy during his prime years to hitting over 70 homeruns in his mid/late 30s. Pac was a good puncher at lower weight classes but usually stopped opponents on accumulation. Historically when fighters move up in weight, their power won't translate the same vs bigger men. Pac moved up and flattened David Diaz at 135. He then pummeled Oscar into submission. He knocked hatton cold and even though it took 11 to stop cotto, that fight changed with a single punch that pac landed in the 4th round. He destroyed a much bigger maragaritos face and had iron chinned mosley running for dear life after dropping him. That's a big change. Then To go from that to having guys like rios, algieri & vargas go 12 is su****ious to me. That combined with Roach implicating ariza as a shady character who refused to tell him what he was giving pac. Not a good look.

Pac looked outstanding against Cotto but he took some damage too, Cotto busted Pac’s ear drum. Sugar Shane did not want to take the risk against Pac, he’s just after the big payday. Pac may have looked outstanding against Margarito but the Tijuana Tornado was able to hurt him too and that fight took its toll on Pac because he’s never been the same after that fight. The majority of boxing fans were not aware that the Margarito fight took its toll on Pac, that’s the reason why he moved back down to welterweight division. I don’t even think he belongs to the welterweight division, I believe the right division for him is light welterweight. Fighting those big guys did some damage, that’s one of the reasons he’s KO wins stopped and juggling between boxing, politics, singing, acting and most of all - religion sealed the deal. That was the end of "Pac the destroyer” and it was replaced by "Pac the merciful”.
About Roach implicating Ariza, he was just trying to make Ariza look bad because last time they had a confrontation, Ariza kicked Roach in the belly and Roach wasn’t able to hit him back. Ariza was never involved with PEDs unlike Heredia and Conte. In fact Robert Garcia and Money May hired him after Roach fired him.

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Pac looked outstanding against Cotto but he took some damage too, Cotto busted Pac’s ear drum. Sugar Shane did not want to take the risk against Pac, he’s just after the big payday. Pac may have looked outstanding against Margarito but the Tijuana Tornado was able to hurt him too and that fight took its toll on Pac because he’s never been the same after that fight. The majority of boxing fans were not aware that the Margarito fight took its toll on Pac, that’s the reason why he moved back down to welterweight division. I don’t even think he belongs to the welterweight division, I believe the right division for him is light welterweight. Fighting those big guys did some damage, that’s one of the reasons he’s KO wins stopped and juggling between boxing, politics, singing, acting and most of all - religion sealed the deal. That was the end of "Pac the destroyer” and it was replaced by "Pac the merciful”.
About Roach implicating Ariza, he was just trying to make Ariza look bad because last time they had a confrontation, Ariza kicked Roach in the belly and Roach wasn’t able to hit him back. Ariza was never involved with PEDs unlike Heredia and Conte. In fact Robert Garcia and Money May hired him after Roach fired him.

yeah, mayweather hired him to get into pacs head and if you notice, garcia quickly got rid of him with no explanation.

[Bluebird]

yeah, mayweather hired him to get into pacs head and if you notice, garcia quickly got rid of him with no explanation.

That’s because Ariza tries to act like he was the trainer. That’s the reason why Roach and Robert Garcia fired him and Mayweather Sr said he doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing.

[SouthPawHitman]

The haters gone say Manny old or that it was a fix but don’t worry AB the hood got your back

[mrlopez]

Theyre gonna say Pac is 41 and has been stopped 3 times already.