Comments Thread For: Canelo vs. Golovkin Trilogy Targeted For May 4, Says De La Hoya

[Thuglife Nelo]

Fragile men, Khan, Kirkland, Fielding, all stopped in a round by non champions. Guys dont become punchers because they get older and heavier as a rule. What happened with all the middles Canelo has fought? Other than stopped in a round Fielding. Cotto, Golovkin, Chavez, wheres the stoppage. Making a guy respect you doesn't make you what we call a puncher in boxing. Is Pernell Whitaker a puncher? He made Chavez respect him, backed him up. Is he a puncher now?

So Maidana not being able to stop Khan or Chino almost being KO’d by a Khan body shot makes Chino “fragile?” Chino couldn’t stop Broner, is Chino fragile? Chino walks around now at 235lbs if you haven’t noticed. Chino is a hulk frame. Canelo and Khan are two completely different fighters.

I have a feeling you don’t like Canelo. This theoretical debate about who are punchers and to say Canelo isn’t a puncher is ******ed. Industry fighters themselves don’t downplay Canelo’s power with theoretical or erroneous context you use. Whitaker was a defensive wizard, stop acting like Chavez was strictly robotic like Golovkin in not wanting to go dumb on Pernell. Chavez had great head movement, classic bobbing and weaving with his guard at close quarters, GGG hardly did that.

[Mindgames]

To answer all these questions. Let’s be honest, fighters improve... especially Canelo is in his prime. We don’t need theoretical to ask why didn’t Crawford KO Burns if he could KO Horn. Crawford is older than Canelo and same age as the Welters already at 147. Crawford was drained by design at 135 for Top Rank gain. Crawford is still a high favorite at 147, nobody is bringing up his past for doubts even though he is 4 years older than Caneloz. So bringing up Lara, Mosley etc bruh that’s all old man..

Fighters improve. Stop acting like Jacobs isn’t stoppable. Jacobs is a 168 fighters, his power is deprived at 160. These factors make a difference in the ring. You think Truax or Eubank Jr. at 168 going 12 with Groves or beating an old Abraham has nothing to do with comfortable power at 168?

Everyone is stoppable. But Canelo hasn't stopped anyone world class at middle. He didnt stop world class men at light middle. Hes not a puncher when in with world class. He doesnt have a stoppage over a decent middleweight. Why assume he should stop Jacobs? Jacobs has been the distance with Golovkin and Derevyanchenko. Why should Canelo, without a stoppage at middle, stop Jacobs? Im Bob saying its not possible, anything is possible. But its not likely on proven form, so why is it to assumed he does? Im gonna guess that he doesn't.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Everyone is stoppable. But Canelo hasn't stopped anyone world class at middle. He didnt stop world class men at light middle. Hes not a puncher when in with world class. He doesnt have a stoppage over a decent middleweight. Why assume he should stop Jacobs? Jacobs has been the distance with Golovkin and Derevyanchenko. Why should Canelo, without a stoppage at middle, stop Jacobs? Im Bob saying its not possible, anything is possible. But its not likely on proven form, so why is it to assumed he does? Im gonna guess that he doesn't.

Again, Crawford is older than Canelo. Crawford is the same age range as most of the 147 elites whom were already there. Crawford walks around in the 170s. You honestly think Crawford belonged at 135? Do you know how awkward his body looked with a huge head noggin unproportional to his skinny body? Yet now Crawford at 147 he looks proper, like a seasoned SRL frame and his legs are bigger than his upper torso. Yet, Crawford could add more weight to be at 154 and still look properly chiseled.

So with all that said, as my point is that Crawford should've started his career at 140lbs AT LEAST, whom are the "world class men" as you say that Crawford beat at 135-140 that has him so high in the P4P?

I assure you Gamboa, tooth pick Indongo, or Postol are not walking around 170lbs+. Crawford a BIG guy, just like John Molina Jr. (milking lower weights) when in reality these guys walk around 180lbs easily and still look athletic. Molina Jr. walking around 180lbs doesn't mean he's "fat."

[Mindgames]

Again, Crawford is older than Canelo. Crawford is the same age range as most of the 147 elites whom were already there. Crawford walks around in the 170s. You honestly think Crawford belonged at 135? Do you know how awkward his body looked with a huge head noggin unproportional to his skinny body? Yet now Crawford at 147 he looks proper, like a seasoned SRL frame and his legs are bigger than his upper torso. Yet, Crawford could add more weight to be at 154 and still look properly chiseled.

So with all that said, as my point is that Crawford should've started his career at 140lbs AT LEAST, whom are the "world class men" as you say that Crawford beat at 135-140 that has him so high in the P4P?

I assure you Gamboa, tooth pick Indongo, or Postol are not walking around 170lbs+. Crawford a BIG guy, just like John Molina Jr. (milking lower weights) when in reality these guys walk around 180lbs easily and still look athletic. Molina Jr. walking around 180lbs doesn't mean he's "fat."

Well weight making is an issue in boxing, but Crawford isn't the issue here. Canelo is a good fighter, but not in the puncher category, because he doesnt stop people, unless they are far lower level or fragile, like Khan and Kirkland. Im not saying he doesnt hit hard enough to get respect, so does Mayweather. But not hard enough to expect him to knock out men who are known to be durable, like Oscars always saying he will. Canelos reputation as a puncher, imo, is partially based on how powerful he actually looks. Seems to be a subconscious assumption in some fans, squat, powerful neck and shoulders, people often equate muscle development with punching power. But it aint necessarily so..

[Mindgames]

So Maidana not being able to stop Khan or Chino almost being KO’d by a Khan body shot makes Chino “fragile?” Chino couldn’t stop Broner, is Chino fragile? Chino walks around now at 235lbs if you haven’t noticed. Chino is a hulk frame. Canelo and Khan are two completely different fighters.

I have a feeling you don’t like Canelo. This theoretical debate about who are punchers and to say Canelo isn’t a puncher is ******ed. Industry fighters themselves don’t downplay Canelo’s power with theoretical or erroneous context you use. Whitaker was a defensive wizard, stop acting like Chavez was strictly robotic like Golovkin in not wanting to go dumb on Pernell. Chavez had great head movement, classic bobbing and weaving with his guard at close quarters, GGG hardly did that.

No Chino isnt fragile. Chino wasnt wobbled by much smaller men like Gomez coming up, flattened in one round by an unknown at lightweight, and then after being stopped again in four, wobbled in several fights since. Khan is known to be chinny. He gets knocked spark out in hes losses. Chino does not. I shouldnt have to explain this to you. As for Canelo, he isnt a puncher, because he doesnt stop men hes own size, unless they are previously fragile, as in stopped in one round in earlier losses, or far below hes class. Ive stated already i think Canelo is a good fighter. Hes not a puncher. Punchers are men like Hearns, Mclellan, Jackson, Benn, Tyson, Foreman. The type of men that can destroy previously durable fighters.I think you know what im talking about, well known boxing terminology. By the way, if you think Chino being fat now has any relevance to this discussion, your way off.. Or perhaps your playing Mindgames? Haha

[Thuglife Nelo]

Well weight making is an issue in boxing, but Crawford isn't the issue here. Canelo is a good fighter, but not in the puncher category, because he doesnt stop people.

What do you mean "issue?" This has nothing to do with Canelo or Crawford being "good fighters," it's about you saying Canelo isn't a puncher.

Again, Crawford didn't stop Burns or Postol. Is Crawford a "puncher?" You're saying Canelo doesn't stop "people." Through our debate I have given you plenty examples where you don't know what you are talking about. Perhaps you're confusing "Puncher" with heavy handedness. Is Golovkin a "puncher?" What are Golovkin's one punch knockouts?

I think you seem to forget that boxers break other boxers down accumulatively. You're saying Canelo isn't a puncher? So Golovkin isn't a "puncher" because he couldn't KO Jacobs but Pirog could?

[Thuglife Nelo]

No Chino isnt fragile. By the way, if you think Chino being fat now has any relevance to this discussion, your way off.. Or perhaps your playing Mindgames? Haha

I understand you're trolling. It's fine. educative posts have other read proper knowledge of the sport.

I mean, you're saying Chino isn't fragile yet he was twisting and turning from Khan's body shot. I'm more than sure Micky Ward was more heavy handed than Khan, though I didn't see Gatti twisting and turning all fragile like Chino did. You do realize the wars Gatti and Ward went through? What round did Khan floor Chino?

See by these examples you don't know what you're talking about to say Canelo isn't a puncher. But it's ok to troll.

[Mindgames]

I understand you're trolling. It's fine. educative posts have other read proper knowledge of the sport.

I mean, you're saying Chino isn't fragile yet he was twisting and turning from Khan's body shot. I'm more than sure Micky Ward was more heavy handed than Khan, though I didn't see Gatti twisting and turning all fragile like Chino did. You do realize the wars Gatti and Ward went through? What round did Khan floor Chino?

See by these examples you don't know what you're talking about to say Canelo isn't a puncher. But it's ok to troll.

Your troll talk is pure projection. Khan has the reputation for being fragile, chinny, not one fan or expert in boxing disputes it. Getting knocked down happens to almost every fighter.Getting wobbled and knocked out by unknowns in a round doesnt. I gave you a list of people considered punchers, Canelo doesn't stop sturdy or durable fighters in recent times, doesn't stop men hes own size who are world level, at all. That doesnt make Canelo feather fisted. It means he doesnt stop durable men hes own size. So no reason to think he suddenly knocks Golovkin out cold, since nothing about him points to hes ability to do this. Simple. He likely wont stop Jacobs. Why? Why should Jacobs be the first world level man at middle he stops?

[Mindgames]

What do you mean "issue?" This has nothing to do with Canelo or Crawford being "good fighters," it's about you saying Canelo isn't a puncher.

Again, Crawford didn't stop Burns or Postol. Is Crawford a "puncher?" You're saying Canelo doesn't stop "people." Through our debate I have given you plenty examples where you don't know what you are talking about. Perhaps you're confusing "Puncher" with heavy handedness. Is Golovkin a "puncher?" What are Golovkin's one punch knockouts?

I think you seem to forget that boxers break other boxers down accumulatively. You're saying Canelo isn't a puncher? So Golovkin isn't a "puncher" because he couldn't KO Jacobs but Pirog could?

No, you're looking to redefine what the term "puncher" means in boxing. In your attempt you've gone into total irrelevance talking about Crawford, and 235 hulk Maidana and name calling, where all you have to do is look at what defines a puncher. It's normally alot of knockouts, stoppages ect, and particularly once a fighter lands at world level. If you dont manage to stop men your own size, fail to stop men who are smaller than you, and only stop men whove previously been knocked out in a round by relative unknowns, you're not a puncher. At middle, Golovkin would have to be considered a decent puncher. Hes stopped durable men like Murray, Lemiuex, reasonably durable men like Monroe, Ishida, Stevens ect. Canelo has stopped no middleweights. All the men Canelo stopped lately were not world class or had been knocked out in one round by journeymen.Btw, i didn't say Golovkin was a "puncher", but hes a least stopped men hes own size and weight. Still, i wouldn't favour him to knock out Canelo, or anyone with a good chin, out cold, which is what Oscar is saying Canelo is capable of against GGG. To do that, to knock Golovkin out cold, a man hes own size who is clearly durable, hed have to have showed alot more power than he has so far, in hes zero stoppage record against middles.I think maybe you are confusing heavy handed with what i am talking about as it goes.. ��

[Thuglife Nelo]

No, you're looking to redefine what the term "puncher" means in boxing. In your attempt you've gone into total irrelevance talking about Crawford, and 235 hulk Maidana and name calling, where all you have to do is look at what defines a puncher. It's normally alot of knockouts, stoppages ect, and particularly once a fighter lands at world level. If you dont manage to stop men your own size, fail to stop men who are smaller than you, and only stop men whove previously been knocked out in a round by relative unknowns, you're not a puncher. At middle, Golovkin would have to be considered a decent puncher. Hes stopped durable men like Murray, Lemiuex, reasonably durable men like Monroe, Ishida, Stevens ect. Canelo has stopped no middleweights. All the men Canelo stopped lately were not world class or had been knocked out in one round by journeymen.Btw, i didn't say Golovkin was a "puncher", but hes a least stopped men hes own size and weight. Still, i wouldn't favour him to knock out Canelo, or anyone with a good chin, out cold, which is what Oscar is saying Canelo is capable of against GGG. To do that, to knock Golovkin out cold, a man hes own size who is clearly durable, hed have to have showed alot more power than he has so far, in hes zero stoppage record against middles.I think maybe you are confusing heavy handed with what i am talking about as it goes.. ��

Lol. Alvarez is a boxer / puncher.