Comments Thread For: Canelo vs. Golovkin Trilogy Targeted For May 4, Says De La Hoya

[Boxing-1013]

Most people

It's probably controversial but Demetrius Andrade. I just believe he hasn't had a chance to prove it.

This post & your question could be a thread in itself. Maybe it should be ��

Demetrius Andrade
Daniel Jacobs
Jermall Charlo
GGG
Canelo
BJS

Derevyanchenko, Korobov

To be fair & clear tho I never seen Murata fight & the only time I saw Brant was when he was at 168. They probably fill out the top 10, I'm kinda confident that's the top 6 tho regardless of order. But that is how I particularly have it. It's tricky tho cause I also feel there may be no actual best. Which is why I think it's the best division right now. I think depending on the match up (the top 6) & when they fight a lot of these guys can beat each other.

For instance I feel GGG beat Canelo twice. But Canelo's the champ.. & although GGG won the 2nd fight I do feel he lost a step & took a lot of punishment & he's 36, so I favor Canelo to officially beat him in the 3rd fight if they fight.

I feel Jacobs beat GGG in their fight.

I feel Charlo would beat GGG cause again he's older & took a lot of punishment.

Charlo would've beat the Canelo that fought against GGG1 but Canelo in the* 2nd fight made the Charlo fight closer imo. Still favor Charlo.

I don't think BJS will beat any of them. Maybe, maybe Charlo.

& lastly I always felt Andrade's boxing ability was better than everyone's in an around his weight I don't think he'll lose a bout unless it's a robbery, includes KD's, or a KO.

Yea but not really, for multiple reasons. I really like Andrade & Jacobs I don't want them to fight ����. I would like them to fight everybody else 1st then meet up if they win. Also I feel like they're holding up the division (Canelo, GGG). It's time for other guys to have a shot & have a chance to make big money. I get it, its business but the fans will keep saying Andrade, Charlo have fought no one but keep making excuses for them not to fight the "names" in addition to the politics.

Thanks for your post. I agree with some of what you said. But anyone who says Jacobs beat GGG should just not be taken seriously imo. I think it is pretty clear you have some bias there. GGG was the champ, KD Jacobs, hurt him a couple other times, was never hurt. And outlanded Jacobs 9-2-1 in punch stats. Anyone saying Jacobs did anything but survive against GGG is just not very good at objectively analyzing things imo.

Also I like Andrade. But he went life and death with Jack Culcay. 160 Charlo went 12 hard rounds with Trout and Korobov. Jacobs went 12 hard rounds with Sulecki. Anyone putting those 3 guys at the top of 160 right now is completely unjustified based on their resumes.

You could argue it based on the eye test/matchups/current form, but thus far none of them have done nearly enough to deserve a real spot above GGG or Canelo. And Andrade and Charlo do not deserve to be above BJS or really even guys like Korobov or Dervy or even Lemieux. They have done almost nothing at 160 or frankly much at all so far in their careers.

[VatoMulatto]

C'mon son!!! At this point, I rather see both of them move on and face new opponents.

[Shadoww702]

Cool man. Really not even trying to be rude to you, but it is clear from your posts that you are a very low IQ self-hating person. I sincerely hope you get some help. This is what you do -

1) say really ****** stuff
2) call other people ****** when their points conflict with your low IQ biased analysis
3) you get called out for your poor grammar and spelling (******ity), and get asked why anyone should take such a simpleton seriously, who can't even spell or write past a 5th grade level?
4) you act like it's cool to be ******
5) repeat

It's just tiresome. You are just a complete waste of space. You bring no value to any area of life or conversation on here.

GGG is an ATG amateur, numerous awards, only a few losses, silver medal at the Olympics. As a pro, one of the highest KO percentages in MW history, one of longest reigning middleweight champs in history, fights people without regard for where the fight is, because he knows he is often good enough to finish the fight, and if not he will still clearly win.

15 good-great clear wins at MW on his resume. Should already be regarded as the greatest MW champ in history but because he is some random Asian/white dude from Kazakhstan who barely speaks English he gets nowhere near the credit he deserves.

The fact that you don't put Murray as one of his top 3 wins shows you have no idea what you're talking about. But then again you show that all the time. Your IQ is roughly 80. You are borderline ******ed. I am not saying this to be mean, just letting you know that no one with any sense cares at all about what you say. Read a book, try and better yourself. Please use bias and biased in a sentence correctly before you respond to me again, Mr Beta's.

Way to set the bar high with CHOKE artist Murray as a top 3 win. Dud is like 0-4 or 0-5 in major Championship fights. He's the Buffalo Bills of Boxing LMFAO!!!

[Mindgames]

neither does Golovkin

there is a reason why Golovkin was unwilling to stand there and trade with Canelo, after talking all that Mexican Warrior rubbish

there is a reason why Golovkin was unable to commit to the body and why he backed up and seemed timid at times

Canelo is not one-punching guys, but he had plenty enough on his shots to put Golovkin on his bike

I dont remember debating Golovkins power, we were talking about Canelo. I said hes not a puncher. I think we both know what a puncher is, and Canelo isn't one. Hes never stopped a good fighter at middle and has only stopped fragile men in recent years. Sure, he backed the old guy up, but he never looked like stopping him, even in your dreams lol.

[TonyGe]

Yes but he outlanded with mainly jabs, while canelo out landed GGG in power punches in both fights. Since when a jab is the determining factor for the outcome of a fight? Never mind it is only when it fits your agenda.

A jab has always been one of the determining factors in who wins a fight. A jab counts unless you want to rewrite the history of boxing. I'm saying Golovkin doubled Canelo in jabs. A lot of Golovkin's jabs snapped Canelo head back and made him back off. Those are effective punches. If you look at the number of punches that landed to the head Golovkin landed many more shots since he threw very few body shots. If you count one power shot equal to two jabs, which is being extremely generous to Canelo Golovkin outscored Canelo in that second fight. Then factor in that Golovkin landed more punches to Canelo's head, Golovkin won that fight. The pity pat jab BS fable by his detractors is plain bias. A power punch is any punch that isn't a jab whether it has zero force behind it. A LOT of Canelo's power punches had no effect in Golovkin just as some of Golovkin s jabs didn't hurt Canelo. If you look at the rematch objectively Golovkin was the rightful winner.

[Jab jab boom]

Canelo's wins already eclipse anything Cheato did his entire career.

Vargas, not a HOF fighter, average. Cheato needed nut shots to turn the tide of the fight to beat him
Reid, blind, had 14 wins
Oba Who? Gtfo
Campas, give me a fücking break

Canelo's wind over Lara and Trout trump those, easily.

Cheatos two big wins were against a 70 year old past his prime Whittaker and a robbery vs Oscar. Beating GGG is better than that, because there are people out there that think Canelo won. Nobody thinks Cheato beat Oscar.

Cheato ducked a prime Whittaker, Ike Quartay and Shane Mosley. Canelo hasn't ducked anyone

Embarrassed by Hopkins and Wright. Canelo lost to Mayeather, sure, but didn't get beat into retirement like Cheato, he came back better.

Those are FACTS.

The controversial score cards you claim Canelo has are your opinions.

The 2 ped tests won't hurt anything, it was very miniscule and has passed every test since.

Wow, your idiocy is on a new level, even for a Canelo fan this is a new level of dumb. There being controversy isn't my opinion, it's what happened. Canelo got decisions that many on press row and all around boxing didn't think he won. That's not an opinion, that's reality. Now in my opinion, Canelo deserved the L vs lara, and 2 Ls vs ggg. Also, you're celebrating a win over trout!?? who has basically made a career off of losing to anyone who matters other than cotto. Speaking of cotto, yet another canelo win that was underwhelming vs a little guy who was 36 yrs old. Meanwhile, Mexican press row from TV Azteca had Canelo losing that fight. As for Trinidad, he won his fights impressively and other than 1 fight , he won without controversy. Trinidad went weight class to weight class and sought out the best champions. He didn't pull this beefy Smith, and rocky fielding nonsense. And you can downplay 2 positive ped tests all you want but everyone with sense knows he's been a ped cheat for a while now, and despite testing clean now, he's still benefitting from the effects of his ped use. But you're probably not intelligent enough to understand why or how. Canelos legacy will eventually be that if a ped cheat, who received favorable scoring and was very selective in his opponent selection. But hey, if in your heart, he's the greatest thing since sugar ray Robinson, that's all that should matter to you.

[Rigpig]

I agree. But going to the body is always dangerous, especially against a smaller faster guy who can also really punch. I think once he gets in the ring he has to do/box the way he feels most comfortable, and he probably feels going to the body is risky because he will be exposed to counters and will be ducking in and could get caught with something big in return.

GGG is really a very patient, smart, defensive fighter. Defensive in the sense that he works behind the jab and tries to control all his fights that way. He doesn't jump in after that unless he has his opponent open/wide open. Best way to fight as it is really hard to hurt a guy that smart and with that good of a jab. Those body punching opportunities just haven't been there imo against Canelo. Credit to Canelo for that but also a knock on GGG for not creating them.

Those are my thoughts anyways...I'll have to rewatch some of GGG's fights soon to see what he did body-punching wise against Canelo vs other opponents. Did you think a lot of openings were there against Canelo in the first 2 fights? Serious question btw

Yea he got in close quite a bit. He could also drop the jab to the stomach like Floyd does. I feel like the event itself got him out of his element like he was nervous. He looked like he was having an asthma attack the second fight.

[Boxing-1013]

Yea he got in close quite a bit. He could also drop the jab to the stomach like Floyd does. I feel like the event itself got him out of his element like he was nervous. He looked like he was having an asthma attack the second fight.

I agree, jabbing to the body is always a possibility. I think he looked a little nervous early in the first fight but otherwise I think he settled in. I think those breathing techniques are just how a lot of the eastern euros do it

[Iron Fister]

I do stand corrected from what I said earlier, that it's fair to have a third fight next. This is because Charlo is the mandatory, at least for the WBC, so he should get his shot at Canelo. The point is that he has waited long enough, and the fact that Charlo struggled against Korobov is besides the point. Organisations should obey their own rules. Mandatory contenders must get their title shot within a year or year and a half at most. It doesn't matter if we think Canelo and Golovkin are the two best middleweights.

It will be funny seeing the fat pig Sulieman efff over Charlo for Nelo. The WBC has no shame when it comes to gargling cinnamon balls

[Freedef]

Make the fight in Mexico !!!