Comments Thread For: Roach: Broner Has A Good Chin, But He'll Go Sooner Or Later

[johnbook]

Damn i didn't think about this aspect.... I hope that doesn't happen but Pac has been screwed twice already in his career.

More than 2x.
Horn
Bradley 1
Floyd

[chitownboxing]

I see Manny KOing the clown.

[johnbook]

I see Manny KOing the clown.

A good chance.
But he runs well.

[Calibaloc]

These lasts few posts are by ragging imbeciles lmao

[chitownboxing]

These lasts few posts are by ragging imbeciles lmao

You a big Broner fan?

[KillaMane26]

More than 2x.
Horn
Bradley 1
Floyd

U lost me a Floyd smh

[johnbook]

U lost me a Floyd smh

I understand.

[Curtis Harper]

Thats usually where the smart money is. Take the over.

Broner isn't much but he has enough talent to not get KTFO. Maybe a younger pac would end him.

[Lacruzel]

More than 2x.
Horn
Bradley 1
Floyd

Pacquiao is probably the most cheated Great boxer in history.
But Pacquiao also has a role to play in this, in that he didn't realize that Kenny Bayless has been a snake all this time.
Well, you could say that Pacquiao has no good referees to choose from.
Here's a list of all the works I know that happened against Manny:

vs Barrera 1 (ref Laurence Cole)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtXTI_I3KAs&t=25s
R1: Called a trip a KD against Pacquiao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtXTI_I3KAs&t=187s
R6: Called a clear upper from Pacquiao, NOT a KD against Barrera.


vs Marquez 1 (NSAC Mark Ratner)
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ju...o_(1st_meeting)
Boxrec: "The third judge, Burt Clements, had a 113-113 tie. His scoring included a 10-7 opening round because, he admitted later, he did not realize he could give a 10-6 round. If Clements had scored the opening round 10-6, as the other two judges had, Pacquiao would have won by 113-112 on Clements's card and earned a split decision.

'I just screwed up,' Clements said. 'I feel badly because I dropped the ball, plainly and simply. You can make a lot of arguments that it was a very close fight, but that's immaterial. The fact is, I dropped the ball.'

Marc Ratner, the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, ruled that Clements's admission was NO GROUNDS FOR A PROTEST."

The Pacquiao-Marquez rivalry shouldn't have existed.


vs Morales 1 (promoter Murad Muhammad)
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ma...s_(1st_meeting)
Boxrec: "Less than a week before the fight, Pacquiao learned that his promoter, Murad Muhammad, had negotiated away his right to pick the brand of gloves he wanted to wear and gave Morales the choice. Morales picked Winning, which Pacquiao and trainer Freddie Roach later called 'pillows'. Japanese-made Winning brand gloves have the bulk of their padding near the fist, and Morales — with a history of brittle hands — preferred them. Pacquiao wanted to wear Cleto Reyes gloves, the Mexican-made brand with a reputation as a puncher's glove because the padding is distributed in such a way that the fighter's fist is not nearly as padded as it is in other brands. 'I would have liked to use my gloves,' Pacquiao said after the fight, 'but I had to go with what was in the contract.'

Two days before the fight, the Nevada State Athletic Commission forced Pacquiao to take a blood test and an eye examination. The commission stated that Pacquiao had failed to submit to a mandatory medical examination within the prescribed 30-day period before the fight. Freddie Roach said Pacquiao had been examined at a California clinic on March 4, and the test results had been lost. Murad Muhammad had former FBI agent Warren Flagg call the doctor at the clinic and ask him to fax the test results to the commission. Flagg reported back to Muhammad that the examination had not been done within 30 days of the fight; It had been done in January. Muhammad was then accused of having the test results stolen.

Shortly after losing to Morales, Pacquiao told Filipino talk show host Dong Puno that he felt dizzy and his head started to hurt after his blood was taken. The doctor told him to drink a lot of water, but he couldn’t because he was drying out to make weight. Pacquiao said he went into the fight feeling drained and weak."


vs Mosley (ref Kenny Bayless)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1U5SFVRWY0
R10: Called a trip/throw a Knockdown.


vs Bradley 1 (ref Duane Ford, judge CJ Ross)
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ma...y_(1st_meeting)
Boxrec: "After the bout, in a review by five veteran judges commissioned by the WBO, Pacquiao was declared the unanimous decision winner. Nevertheless, the decision was NOT OVERTURNED and Bradley remained the WBO welterweight champion.

(Boxrec shows a list of scores by different Boxing media) Among the experts above, 121 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 3 scored it for Bradley and 1 had it a draw. None of the scores for Pacquiao were offered by Philippine media. Two of the three scores for Bradley were provided by American media. The other score for Bradley and the draw were from British media."


vs MayIVeather
(NSAC Bob Bennett, ref Bayless, manager Michael Koncz; judges Burt A. Clements, Dave Moretti & Glenn Feldman)

Pacquiao's shoulder's Toradol shot declined by NSAC despite USADA approval because of a mere clerical error, while MayIVeather rehydrated with an ILLEGAL IV drip in secret and only given RETROACTIVE approval AFTER THE FIGHT.
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...cording-report and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_...Manny_Pacquiao
Wikipedia: "After weighing in for the fight on May 1, Mayweather received an intravenous injection for the stated purpose of pre-bout re-hydration. The two IV infusions were administered at his home, amounted to 16% of the total average male blood quantity, and contained saline, multivitamins and vitamin C. The World Anti-Doping Agency forbids such a large amount of fluids entering the body before competition as a preventive step against the possible masking of performance-enhancing drug use. Bob Bennett, the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), stated that unless the IV was administered at a hospital, it needs to be cleared by filing a the****utic-use exemption, and supporting documents through the Nevada commission and authorized by the commission’s medical expert. The Pacquiao camp had requested an injection of the anti-inflammatory Toradol for Pacquiao's injured shoulder before the fight, but was denied authorization by NSAC. USADA authorized both injections, but NSAC was not informed of Mayweather's IV until after the fight."

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Fl...Manny_Pacquiao
Boxrec: "Michael Koncz, Pacquiao's manager, told the New York Daily News that he was the one who did it. 'Manny didn't check the box. I checked it,' Koncz said. 'It was just an inadvertent mistake. If I was trying to hide anything, would I have listed all the medications on the sheet that he intended to use? We weren't trying to hide anything. I just don't think I read the questionnaire correctly.'"

Wikipedia: "The Pacquiao camp had requested an injection of the anti-inflammatory Toradol for Pacquiao's injured shoulder before the fight, but was denied authorization by NSAC. USADA authorized both injections, but NSAC was not informed of Mayweather's IV until after the fight."

So where's the penalty? Should've been declared a No Contest / Technical Draw. Instead, they gave MayIVeather permission AFTER getting caught, 2 weeks AFTER the fight smh. It must be known that even Boxrec hides how Floyd cheated with the IV drip. "America First" mentality IMHO.

Not one warning from Bayless against Floyd for serial hugging and forearms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn69x-7ESkI
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rules_of_Boxing
• You cannot hit below the belt, HOLD, trip, kick, headbutt, wrestle, bite, spit on, or push your opponent.
• You cannot hit with your head, shoulder, FOREARM, or elbow.
Pacquiao Interview on Mayweather: "He kept hugging me. I think he loves me." (just for lols)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtxVYhDwf9k
A mere warning, not even a point deduction, would've changed the flow of the fight tremendously.

And of course, the judging is controversial.
Pacquiao could have AT LEAST left with a DRAW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcC9_cqy2L8


vs Horn (ref Mark Nelson; judges Waleska Roldan, Chris Flores & Ramon Cerdan, coach Freddie Roach)
The whole fight is the proof itself.
Mark Nelson's pointless first warning against Horn's MMA came at a very convenient R11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j07uqEiS1-M
Let it be noted that Freddie Roach did not even protest against Horn's MMA.

[johnbook]

Pacquiao is probably the most cheated Great boxer in history.
But Pacquiao also has a role to play in this, in that he didn't realize that Kenny Bayless has been a snake all this time.
Well, you could say that Pacquiao has no good referees to choose from.
Here's a list of all the works I know that happened against Manny:

vs Barrera 1 (ref Laurence Cole)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtXTI_I3KAs&t=25s
R1: Called a trip a KD against Pacquiao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtXTI_I3KAs&t=187s
R6: Called a clear upper from Pacquiao, NOT a KD against Barrera.


vs Marquez 1 (NSAC Mark Ratner)
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ju...o_(1st_meeting)
Boxrec: "The third judge, Burt Clements, had a 113-113 tie. His scoring included a 10-7 opening round because, he admitted later, he did not realize he could give a 10-6 round. If Clements had scored the opening round 10-6, as the other two judges had, Pacquiao would have won by 113-112 on Clements's card and earned a split decision.

'I just screwed up,' Clements said. 'I feel badly because I dropped the ball, plainly and simply. You can make a lot of arguments that it was a very close fight, but that's immaterial. The fact is, I dropped the ball.'

Marc Ratner, the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, ruled that Clements's admission was NO GROUNDS FOR A PROTEST."

The Pacquiao-Marquez rivalry shouldn't have existed.


vs Morales 1 (promoter Murad Muhammad)
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ma...s_(1st_meeting)
Boxrec: "Less than a week before the fight, Pacquiao learned that his promoter, Murad Muhammad, had negotiated away his right to pick the brand of gloves he wanted to wear and gave Morales the choice. Morales picked Winning, which Pacquiao and trainer Freddie Roach later called 'pillows'. Japanese-made Winning brand gloves have the bulk of their padding near the fist, and Morales — with a history of brittle hands — preferred them. Pacquiao wanted to wear Cleto Reyes gloves, the Mexican-made brand with a reputation as a puncher's glove because the padding is distributed in such a way that the fighter's fist is not nearly as padded as it is in other brands. 'I would have liked to use my gloves,' Pacquiao said after the fight, 'but I had to go with what was in the contract.'

Two days before the fight, the Nevada State Athletic Commission forced Pacquiao to take a blood test and an eye examination. The commission stated that Pacquiao had failed to submit to a mandatory medical examination within the prescribed 30-day period before the fight. Freddie Roach said Pacquiao had been examined at a California clinic on March 4, and the test results had been lost. Murad Muhammad had former FBI agent Warren Flagg call the doctor at the clinic and ask him to fax the test results to the commission. Flagg reported back to Muhammad that the examination had not been done within 30 days of the fight; It had been done in January. Muhammad was then accused of having the test results stolen.

Shortly after losing to Morales, Pacquiao told Filipino talk show host Dong Puno that he felt dizzy and his head started to hurt after his blood was taken. The doctor told him to drink a lot of water, but he couldn’t because he was drying out to make weight. Pacquiao said he went into the fight feeling drained and weak."


vs Mosley (ref Kenny Bayless)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1U5SFVRWY0
R10: Called a trip/throw a Knockdown.


vs Bradley 1 (ref Duane Ford, judge CJ Ross)
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ma...y_(1st_meeting)
Boxrec: "After the bout, in a review by five veteran judges commissioned by the WBO, Pacquiao was declared the unanimous decision winner. Nevertheless, the decision was NOT OVERTURNED and Bradley remained the WBO welterweight champion.

(Boxrec shows a list of scores by different Boxing media) Among the experts above, 121 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 3 scored it for Bradley and 1 had it a draw. None of the scores for Pacquiao were offered by Philippine media. Two of the three scores for Bradley were provided by American media. The other score for Bradley and the draw were from British media."


vs MayIVeather
(NSAC Bob Bennett, ref Bayless, manager Michael Koncz; judges Burt A. Clements, Dave Moretti & Glenn Feldman)

Pacquiao's shoulder's Toradol shot declined by NSAC despite USADA approval because of a mere clerical error, while MayIVeather rehydrated with an ILLEGAL IV drip in secret and only given RETROACTIVE approval AFTER THE FIGHT.
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...cording-report and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_...Manny_Pacquiao
Wikipedia: "After weighing in for the fight on May 1, Mayweather received an intravenous injection for the stated purpose of pre-bout re-hydration. The two IV infusions were administered at his home, amounted to 16% of the total average male blood quantity, and contained saline, multivitamins and vitamin C. The World Anti-Doping Agency forbids such a large amount of fluids entering the body before competition as a preventive step against the possible masking of performance-enhancing drug use. Bob Bennett, the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), stated that unless the IV was administered at a hospital, it needs to be cleared by filing a the****utic-use exemption, and supporting documents through the Nevada commission and authorized by the commission’s medical expert. The Pacquiao camp had requested an injection of the anti-inflammatory Toradol for Pacquiao's injured shoulder before the fight, but was denied authorization by NSAC. USADA authorized both injections, but NSAC was not informed of Mayweather's IV until after the fight."

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Fl...Manny_Pacquiao
Boxrec: "Michael Koncz, Pacquiao's manager, told the New York Daily News that he was the one who did it. 'Manny didn't check the box. I checked it,' Koncz said. 'It was just an inadvertent mistake. If I was trying to hide anything, would I have listed all the medications on the sheet that he intended to use? We weren't trying to hide anything. I just don't think I read the questionnaire correctly.'"

Wikipedia: "The Pacquiao camp had requested an injection of the anti-inflammatory Toradol for Pacquiao's injured shoulder before the fight, but was denied authorization by NSAC. USADA authorized both injections, but NSAC was not informed of Mayweather's IV until after the fight."

So where's the penalty? Should've been declared a No Contest / Technical Draw. Instead, they gave MayIVeather permission AFTER getting caught, 2 weeks AFTER the fight smh. It must be known that even Boxrec hides how Floyd cheated with the IV drip. "America First" mentality IMHO.

Not one warning from Bayless against Floyd for serial hugging and forearms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn69x-7ESkI
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rules_of_Boxing
• You cannot hit below the belt, HOLD, trip, kick, headbutt, wrestle, bite, spit on, or push your opponent.
• You cannot hit with your head, shoulder, FOREARM, or elbow.
Pacquiao Interview on Mayweather: "He kept hugging me. I think he loves me." (just for lols)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtxVYhDwf9k
A mere warning, not even a point deduction, would've changed the flow of the fight tremendously.

And of course, the judging is controversial.
Pacquiao could have AT LEAST left with a DRAW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcC9_cqy2L8


vs Horn (ref Mark Nelson; judges Waleska Roldan, Chris Flores & Ramon Cerdan, coach Freddie Roach)
The whole fight is the proof itself.
Mark Nelson's pointless first warning against Horn's MMA came at a very convenient R11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j07uqEiS1-M
Let it be noted that Freddie Roach did not even protest against Horn's MMA.

Thank you.
Well done.