Why are posters now trying to slam the WBA"regular" belt??

[!! Shawn]

Clearly you ain't spent enough time with the denizens of NSB if you think no-one would dispute that. What I think you mean is that any reasonable person would consider Sturm's reign as 'Super' champion to be fraudulent... and yet, sadly, as a result of the corruption he was considered the real 'champion' by the world and fought better opposition than GGG as a result... so was it really the fraudulent reign? It's like a lie being made truth.

Yeah, boxing is strange. And I mean honestly, does winning on the scorecards in Germany as the house fighter actually mean anything? Sven Ottke, once again is a prime example.

GGG has always gotten the short end of the stick. He didn't get fights with Martinez, Cotto, or Canelo all in a row when he was trying to Unify. They all ducked him, or worse, vacated. GGG isn't my favorite fighter in the world, but there aren't many guys that have built a name for themselves like he did who still couldn't secure those fights.

The WBC was playing a nice game of keep the belt away from GGG, just like the WBA played a nice game of keep GGG away from Sturm.

Then his career has been plagued with things like Canelo testing positive, Pirog suffering a career ending back injury in training camp leading up to what would have been a wonderful fight, etc.

Its just sad when there is so much shady business in boxing, that you go into fights knowing the outcome, unless there is a KO.

Then there are things like Rigondeaux getting blackballed, and stripped of his belts at 122lb for losing to Lomachenko at 130lb.

When has a fighter ever been stripped in one division for losing a fight 2 divisions higher before? And when have they only been informed that this will happen, after all the contracts have already been signed? Oh, guess who it was again? Our good friends the WBA.

Now we get to pretend that there are champions at 122lb, when there are just people that have trinkets that belong to Rigondeaux, who can't even get a fight if his life depended on it right now.

WBO stripped him for "inactivity" despite him fighting around as frequently as other champions. WBA stripped him at 122, for losing to Lomachenko at 130lb.

People actually believe that a lot of these guys that end up winning "vacant" belts, that were stripped from still standing champions, ended up with the belt through merit, and not through endemic corruption aimed at creating paper champions for real champions to make soft touch defenses and unifications against, or to win back a lost title against.

The reality today in boxing, is you don't get a belt, and you especially dont get to keep your belt, unless they want you to have it.

If there is a big fight in the division, they have no problem stripping you for some made up reason to put your belt on the line for that fight instead.

[daggum]

there was no super champ the majority of the time ggg held the wba regular belt so its not the same thing at all. he was the top champ for the wba, rocky fielding wasn't. in fact fielding was ko'd in 1 round by the real wba champ. why are you trying to pretend they are equal when you know they aren't?

[Citizen Koba]

What's up Koba? Happy Holiday's brother

How do you feel about G ducking Charlo and is being lined up to get another shot at Canelo despite the WBC mandating G and Charlo fight for a shot at Canelo?

If G somehow beats Canelo for the WBC, based off your theory regarding G vs Sturm, this would really make Charlo the champ since G was reluctant to fight Charlo, correct?

And yourself, man... best wishes to you and your loved ones.

How do I feel? I think Charlo is being screwed over by the WBC... he more than earned his right to fight the incumbent titlist and shouldn't have to fight GGG to get it. You may know my rule about what I classify as 'duck' but I only ever use the term when an incumbent titlist refuses to fight his mandatory so I wouldn't call it that since Golovkin really has no obligation to fight anyone... but, unless there's some better or more lucrative fight available I think Golovkin should fight Jermall anyway.

I also think the WBC have essentially zero intention of trying to make Canelo do anything he doesn't want to from here on in. If Canelo wants to fight Golovkin (or Jermall for that matter) he will whether or not GGG and Charlo fight, and if he doesn't then the fight won't happen, period.

Let's see now - so, if GGG beats Canelo but he only got the shot because the WBC failed to enforce Charlo's right would Jermall be justified as being called champion. Ha ha - that's a tricky one, actually. Gotta tread a little carefully here to avoid contradicting myself. Note that on my little rant I didn't actually claim that Sturm's failure to defend made Golovkin a legitimate champion, simply that it delegitimised Sturm - there's a distinction there. My actual rule (regarding the WBA) is quite simple - that the Regular title is counted as the legitimate one unless there is an incumbent 'super' champ. According to that rule I do count Sturm as the legit WBA champ for the period from him being made super to losing to Geale even though I also think it's kinda bullch1t. What Orwell called doublethink I guess.

I would hope that the WBC in that situation would force Golovkin to fight Charlo at that point or strip him, but if they didn't even attempt to make the fight, or refused to strip Golovkin (or, like the WBA suddenly introduced a new rule saying that two time champions didn't have to defend or somesuch BS) then, yes, I suppose by the same standard I would have to at the least consider Golovkin's title to be deeply questionable, even if I would not at that stage automatically grant Champion status to Jermall... it's a sign of my own bias that I'm more reluctant to acknowledge that than I should be.

The more likely situation, of course, is that it's Canelo that will keep the title and may keep Jermall waiting (though who knows - the Ginger one has repeatly shown willing to fight tough opponents), though he has some semi-legitimate ways of doing so in being able to pick and choose between MW and SMW... we'll see.

[Vegemil]

It depends on which side of the streets you are on, or which narratives you are trying to push.

It's a belt that shouldn't have been created. It was created out of corruption and that seems like a terrible thing to have in boxing.

[Chollo Vista]

And yourself, man... best wishes to you and your loved ones.

How do I feel? I think Charlo is being screwed over by the WBC... he more than earned his right to fight the incumbent titlist and shouldn't have to fight GGG to get it. You may know my rule about what I classify as 'duck' but I only ever use the term when an incumbent titlist refuses to fight his mandatory so I wouldn't call it that since Golovkin really has no obligation to fight anyone... but, unless there's some better or more lucrative fight available I think Golovkin should fight Jermall anyway.

I also think the WBC have essentially zero intention of trying to make Canelo do anything he doesn't want to from here on in. If Canelo wants to fight Golovkin (or Jermall for that matter) he will whether or not GGG and Charlo fight, and if he doesn't then the fight won't happen, period.

Let's see now - so, if GGG beats Canelo but he only got the shot because the WBC failed to enforce Charlo's right would Jermall be justified as being called champion. Ha ha - that's a tricky one, actually. Gotta tread a little carefully here to avoid contradicting myself. Note that on my little rant I didn't actually claim that Sturm's failure to defend made Golovkin a legitimate champion, simply that it delegitimised Sturm - there's a distinction there. My actual rule (regarding the WBA) is quite simple - that the Regular title is counted as the legitimate one unless there is an incumbent 'super' champ. According to that rule I do count Sturm as the legit WBA champ for the period from him being made super to losing to Geale even though I also think it's kinda bullch1t. What Orwell called doublethink I guess.

I would hope that the WBC in that situation would force Golovkin to fight Charlo at that point or strip him, but if they didn't even attempt to make the fight, or refused to strip Golovkin (or, like the WBA suddenly introduced a new rule saying that two time champions didn't have to defend or somesuch BS) then, yes, I suppose by the same standard I would have to at the least consider Golovkin's title to be deeply questionable, even if I would not at that stage automatically grant Champion status to Jermall... it's a sign of my own bias that I'm more reluctant to acknowledge that than I should be.

The more likely situation, of course, is that it's Canelo that will keep the title and may keep Jermall waiting (though who knows - the Ginger one has repeatly shown willing to fight tough opponents), though he has some semi-legitimate ways of doing so in being able to pick and choose between MW and SMW... we'll see.

Great honest reply and ability to recognize the potential contradiction. Always a pleasure to get your perspective

As for my take, if the WBA calls them a champion, to me they're a champion

[Derranged]

I don't even know what the "regular" belt is. Would be better if there was just one belt per weight class.

[Earl-Hickey]

It depends on the circumstances

If The WBA super becomes Vacant then i think they dont put it up and you have to win the regular and defend it 5 times or unify it

So in some cases the WBA regular is legit but if theres also a WBA super champ AT THE SAME TIME then it's really just an interim belt.

[SkillspayBills]

Whoever thinks it is a legitimate belt is a fraud. It's more like an interim title.

[mcdonalds]

there was no super champ the majority of the time ggg held the wba regular belt so its not the same thing at all. he was the top champ for the wba, rocky fielding wasn't. in fact fielding was ko'd in 1 round by the real wba champ. why are you trying to pretend they are equal when you know they aren't?

Lmao look at this fool. Sturm was the real WBA champion when GGG had the "regular". Stop lying, its the exact same thing.

[N/A]

Callum is the only WBA champion at Super Middleweight.

I asked the WBA and they said you're wrong. Callum is the WBA super champion. Canelo is the WBA world champion. Chudinov is the WBA international champion. Bazinyan is the WBA North American champion. Dunn is the WBA Oceania champion. Alamos is the WBA Latin American champion. Shishkin is the WBA Continental champion.