New PBC studio shows premier this afternoon.

[Sweet Jones]

You don't know that. You are simply saying that because PBC was on random days, at random times, on random channels, that THREE YEARS LATER, on of the networks PBC PAID to be on, decided to invest heavily into one of PBC's rivals.

So, PBC buying airtime landed Top Rank a deal with espn and Matchroom a deal with DAZN, and PBC a deal with Fox? And the lowest annual budget, and the shortest contract is the PBC one?

???

Wow, I like it. I never knew Haymon and PBC were only trying to get boxing on different networks. I thought PBC was trying to make PBC successful. I never realized they were so concerned with Top Rank and Matchroom.

PBC has the fighters I like, and Haymon hasn't been as bad as Arum or ODLH. I am a big PBC fan. PBC is still alive, and doing well.

I just don't understand why anyone believes the time buys were some big success. PBC puts on most of the best fights, and now has shows on a major broadcast network, in addition to Showtime. I like it. I just believe what Fox is doing now would have worked better than the helter-skelter schedule they started with.


PBC and Fox have finalized a long-term deal for fights to appear on both Fox and FS1 with an annual boxing budget that eclipses $60 million, multiple sources told The Ring. The deal, which will be announced Tuesday, will kick off in December; the agreement calls for 10 championship-level fights on Fox, with at least another 12 shows on FS1. That’s to be added to Showtime’s existing budget, also estimated at over $60 million.

How much did PBC have to start with? Half a billion? PBC had the money to fund both their current deal with Fox and espn's deal with Top Rank for three years! It will work now, and it would have worked three years ago too.

Please explain which major network in 2015 was going to commit to dedicating specific and consistent primetime blocks of its programming schedule to a sport with supposedly 'waning popularity' and said network was not even willing to pay for?

Which network between FOX, ABC, NBC, ESPN, or CBS was going to allow Al Haymon to simply purchase 4-6 hrs per week of primetime and weekend broadcast time (and keep all the advertising revenue from those blocks) for 2-3 years to show boxing?

Thank you in advance for your response.

[MasterPlan]

Maybe you are right and espn wouldn't have signed Top Rank, but if that is the case, why didn't espn approach Haymon and PBC? It seems, hbo wasn't paying for all of Arum's mismatches so he had to go somewhere else.

None of it really matters now, I guess. We will see what kind of fights and schedule Fox and espn put on. It is definitely better for boxing as a sport to be shown regularly on espn and Fox. So I'm happy.

It had something to do with the lawsuits filed by TR and Golden Boy After that NBC, Spike and ESPN all bowed out of PBC and shortly after GB started doin cards on ESPN and than Top Rank soon after that. Fox was the only network (beside SHO/CBS of course) to continue to work with PBC.
I think PBC had to give up something and I guess it ended up being ESPN.

[Bardamu]

Please explain which major network in 2015 was going to commit to dedicating specific and consistent primetime blocks of its programming schedule to a sport with supposedly 'waning popularity' and said network was not even willing to pay for?

Which network between FOX, ABC, NBC, ESPN, or CBS was going to allow Al Haymon to simply purchase 4-6 hrs per week of primetime and weekend broadcast time (and keep all the advertising revenue from those blocks) for 2-3 years to show boxing?

Thank you in advance for your response.

Fox woulda made some kind of deal with PBC. espn would have too. At the beginning, PBC was supposed to regularly be on FS1 on Tuesdays. I would think a major network would have one PBC card in primetime a month. On the same day.

Also, all networks are businesses and do what makes them the most money. All the PBC cards in 2015 were aired, because PBC paid more the networks more than other programming would have. I'm not saying Fox or CBS or NBC would have a PBC card on every single Friday or Saturday night, but PBC obviously paid enough to be on as much as they were.

I don't see why PBC couldn't have used that money and had a card on one network, on the same day and similar time, once a month.

I fully believe Fox and espn would show the fights they are going to now, three years ago. Especially if PBC was paying them for it! If the network realized it would be more profitable to pay PBC to show the fights and the network keep the advertising money, then they would have done that.

So, you honestly believe, that because PBC was on random channels, at random times, on random days, that that is the reason that espn and Fox agreed to show boxing THREE YEARS later? They would have made the same deal three years ago with PBC paying them! There would have been no risk for the network. They would be guaranteed so much money.

Top Rank is with espn because hbo quit paying for their mismatches.

Networks do what makes them the most money. PBC paid enough to have networks air their fights during primetime numerous times. To have it on semi-regularly instead of paying to put crap cards on Spike tv or Bounce on a weekday evening would have been 100% possible. No doubt about it. PBC hasn't been on network tv for two years. And Fox is now taking a chance and a risk, using their own money to show boxing.

[Sweet Jones]

Fox woulda made some kind of deal with PBC. espn would have too. At the beginning, PBC was supposed to regularly be on FS1 on Tuesdays. I would think a major network would have one PBC card in primetime a month. On the same day.

What are you basing this on? You honestly don't think Haymon tried this initially?

Also, all networks are businesses and do what makes them the most money. All the PBC cards in 2015 were aired, because PBC paid more the networks more than other programming would have. I'm not saying Fox or CBS or NBC would have a PBC card on every single Friday or Saturday night, but PBC obviously paid enough to be on as much as they were.

I don't see why PBC couldn't have used that money and had a card on one network, on the same day and similar time, once a month.

Again, this is Monday Morning quarterbacking. WHICH network was going to sell this amount (upwards to 100 hours of primetime and/or Sat afternoon) of its own blocks of time to PBC?

You continue to speak as if it is easy or common to simply buy primetime blocks on a channel, ESPECIALLY network TV. It is not. That is actually the most fascinating accomplishment that PBC was able to pull off, one that haters gloss over when 'criticizing' PBC's schedule.

I fully believe Fox and espn would show the fights they are going to now, three years ago. Especially if PBC was paying them for it! If the network realized it would be more profitable to pay PBC to show the fights and the network keep the advertising money, then they would have done that.

You realize that was the EXACT POINT of PBC's Proof of Concept, don't you?

So, you honestly believe, that because PBC was on random channels, at random times, on random days, that that is the reason that espn and Fox agreed to show boxing THREE YEARS later? They would have made the same deal three years ago with PBC paying them! There would have been no risk for the network. They would be guaranteed so much money.

Top Rank is with espn because hbo quit paying for their mismatches.

Yes, I do. PBC confirmed that there was a market for boxing out there and that boxing was worth investing in. And as the WWE and UFC TV contract musical chairs game got completed, boxing was perfectly positioned (with actual numbers and ratings to back it up from PBC's proof of concept) to benefit.


Why else do YOU think ESPN was suddenly willing to increase its investment in boxing even though it had been in the boxing 'business' for over 35 years?

Why else do YOU think FOX is now willing to make a 3 year commitment to boxing after only a few random Mike Tyson fights in the 90's?

Why else do YOU think Showtime is increasing its budget and commitment to boxing?

Why else do YOU think DAZN has (allegedly) up to a billion dollars invested in boxing programming and is using it as the primary driver of interest to penetrate the North American market for its app?

Since PBC's inception, there's been dayum near 2 Bil dollars of new investors (Waddell Reed, DAZN, FOX,) and recommitments (Showtime, ESPN) into this sport, a cosmic shift in the power structure (HBO out), promoters now ACTIVELY seeking new revenue sources (which they should be BEEN doing) other than sucking on HBO's' teat, and boxing is on more outlets than ever.

Had I told you in 2014 this would be the case, you would have NEVER believed it, and neither would I nor most here.

That's mot a coincidence bruh. That's the market reacting to new info.

[Bardamu]

What are you basing this on? You honestly don't think Haymon tried this initially?



Again, this is Monday Morning quarterbacking. WHICH network was going to sell this amount (upwards to 100 hours of primetime and/or Sat afternoon) of its own blocks of time to PBC?

You continue to speak as if it is easy or common to simply buy primetime blocks on a channel, ESPECIALLY network TV. It is not. That is actually the most fascinating accomplishment that PBC was able to pull off, one that haters gloss over when 'criticizing' PBC's schedule.




You realize that was the EXACT POINT of PBC's Proof of Concept, don't you?




Yes, I do. PBC confirmed that there was a market for boxing out there and that boxing was worth investing in. And as the WWE and UFC TV contract musical chairs game got completed, boxing was perfectly positioned (with actual numbers and ratings to back it up from PBC's proof of concept) to benefit.


Why else do YOU think ESPN was suddenly willing to increase its investment in boxing even though it had been in the boxing 'business' for over 35 years?

Why else do YOU think FOX is now willing to make a 3 year commitment to boxing after only a few random Mike Tyson fights in the 90's?

Why else do YOU think Showtime is increasing its budget and commitment to boxing?

Why else do YOU think DAZN has (allegedly) up to a billion dollars invested in boxing programming and is using it as the primary driver of interest to penetrate the North American market for its app?

Since PBC's inception, there's been dayum near 2 Bil dollars of new investors (Waddell Reed, DAZN, FOX,) and recommitments (Showtime, ESPN) into this sport, a cosmic shift in the power structure (HBO out), promoters now ACTIVELY seeking new revenue sources (which they should be BEEN doing) other than sucking on HBO's' teat, and boxing is on more outlets than ever.

Had I told you in 2014 this would be the case, you would have NEVER believed it, and neither would I nor most here.

That's mot a coincidence bruh. That's the market reacting to new info.

Wow. That is quite a rant. And all it says is that Haymon got Arum and Hearn massive deals. Because you know, reruns of sitcoms and Dateline is something no one would pay for. Believe what you want to.

If it wasn't for PBC being on Spike and Bounce three years ago, Top Rank and Matchroom would be bankrupt and boxing would be dead. Thank God, 392 people watched Khan fight on Spike. That convinced espn they need to do whatever it takes to lock down Top Rank. Ole Arum hoodwinked Haymon into getting him a crazy good deal with espn.

[Sweet Jones]

Wow. That is quite a rant. And all it says is that Haymon got Arum and Hearn massive deals. Because you know, reruns of sitcoms and Dateline is something no one would pay for. Believe what you want to.

If it wasn't for PBC being on Spike and Bounce three years ago, Top Rank and Matchroom would be bankrupt and boxing would be dead. Thank God, 392 people watched Khan fight on Spike. That convinced espn they need to do whatever it takes to lock down Top Rank. Ole Arum hoodwinked Haymon into getting him a crazy good deal with espn.

So in other words, you dont have a legit response.

Cool.

[N/A]

There is no way to know what would have happened if PBC did things differently.

But what they did worked out great, so why second guess something that worked out so well?

It wasn't so much being on different channels, but there was no schedule at all. No one knew when it was on.

Millions watched, so clearly people knew about the fights. Top tier boxing is never going to work on a regular schedule like ESPN2 Friday Fight Fights or USA Tuesday Night Fights. You can only have a schedule like that for low level boxing.

Top Rank got a big deal from espn.

No, they didn't. PBC was offered that deal first and turned it down. The FOX deal is more lucrative.

[N/A]

Yes, but they still should have limited the networks and explained their schedule better.

Every PBC telecast listed the full PBC schedule, including fights on other networks. What was there to explain?

CBS, Spike and Showtime are all the same company. When Spike decided they wanted boxing, should Haymon have refused to sell them boxing? And let an outside promoter get that TV deal instead? How would limiting the networks and allowing that TV deal to go to an outside promoter have helped PBC?

If they hadn't have done time buys on NBC, FOX and ESPN and proved to all three that they could generate millions of viewers, they wouldn't have had a bidding war between FOX and ESPN, a bidding war FOX won, leaving ESPN to go after Top Rank.

Al Haymon owns Bounce, why not put some of his lower level fighters on there?