Narrow losses and their effect/perception

[N!Ck F.]

No credible judge would give Porter the Brook fight. He pretty clearly lost, though he went out still fighting.

As per P4P, I agree mostly. It's more a popularity contest ... has nothing to do with Power or Danger, like it used to.

If Canelo is in, GGG should be too. Though I had Thurman No. 1 at WW for a time, I wouldn't put him in P4P top ten. Guys in P4P knock you out if you don't knock them out. Wilder belongs, Loma belongs, Usyk belongs, Joshua belongs, Spence belongs, hell even Povetkin and Ortiz belong. If you don't knock them out, they are probably knocking you out.

That said, there are a lot of great fighters who will win most of their fights ... largely on points with a KO here and there. While they are great fighters, and even the No. 1 guy sometimes ... they wouldn't be on my P4P.
Mickey and Swift Garcia's, Thurman, the Fury's, etc.

Mostly ...

Wilder at the top of a weak division, I don’t think he’s p4p top 10. I don’t believe there isn’t 10 fighters more technically skilled than wilder.

[Owlzfan84]

I'll give another example. Mayweather vs Castillo. A lot of people thought Castillo won, including myself. Mayweather got the decision.Now lets bring it to Salido vs Lomachenko. Salido not only comes in overweight but gets away with low blows all night and still at the end of the fight was hanging on for dear life. Salido got the decision. You'll see Mayweather fans rag on Lomachenko for losing to Salido. But really Mayweathers "win" over Castillo was less convincing than Lomachenko's "loss". Mayweather just happened to get the benefit of the doubt.

[Nash out]

It's clear that this is an issue then in perception and ratings etc. I accept if someone disagrees with me, etc over who won a close fight, but when a fight at the top level is close, really in the P4P stakes, they should remain similarly placed. Also, yes I know P4P is a fictional thing, but it's a good basis for who the best among the best are, so it's very worthy in a discussion. For example if someone believes Canelo won the rematch and rank him just above Golovkin, totally fair, but many who have felt Golovkin won clearly even, still rank Canelo ahead of him because of official result, which is wrong to me.

[Nash out]

I'll give another example. Mayweather vs Castillo. A lot of people thought Castillo won, including myself. Mayweather got the decision.Now lets bring it to Salido vs Lomachenko. Salido not only comes in overweight but gets away with low blows all night and still at the end of the fight was hanging on for dear life. Salido got the decision. You'll see Mayweather fans rag on Lomachenko for losing to Salido. But really Mayweathers "win" over Castillo was less convincing than Lomachenko's "loss". Mayweather just happened to get the benefit of the doubt.

Good points on Loma and Floyd. I felt both fights could have went either way. I confess, I do a few Loma troll threads on here for a laugh, but he's a class act. Something tells me though that Mikey Garcia would be a little too big for him.

[MastaBlasta]

Wilder at the top of a weak division, I don’t think he’s p4p top 10. I don’t believe there isn’t 10 fighters more technically skilled than wilder.

Maybe some are more technically traditional, but in boxing the only technique that counts is winning. Wilder's doing just fine.

If it's not attractive to you, don't like it. But he has mostly gotten the job done in his fights. Any trainer will tell you, that is always the best technique ... get it done!

[MulaKO]

I've noticed more and more casual fans just accepting results like they are all black and white without putting into context what happened in the ring. Sometimes two elite guys fight and it's close and competitive but if your guy wins you give him all the praise in the world but if the opponent or a guy you dislike loses (even if close and controversially) then it's just a loss and he gains nothing. That's a boxrec fan.

I think Marquez reputation grew through his excellent displays against Pacquaio even though he was on the wrong end of controversial decisions. Barrera gained a lot in the loss to Morales. Hearns showed brilliance in losing to Leonard, today he'd get **** on. Duran gave a great fight against Hagler today he'd be laughed at for losing. Frazier would have been exposed as a loser after Ali III, Taylor would get **** on for Chavez, Arguello for Pryor, Marvin Johnson would be the guy who couldn't beat Archie Moore when it counted etc; etc; in reality BOTH fighters were elevated in all of these examples.

You couldn’t be clearer than that
Unfortunately today’s fans r followers , their not true fans
Imo this is cause of society and social media
The mentality is what r you gonna do for me now not what you’ve done
City’s made bands famous , fighters etc etc
Sports teams don’t have dynasties anymore ( too many teams )
Just as in boxing with all the sanctioning bodies , it seems to difficult for the casual fan to get into the sport without being totally confused
And it won’t get easier

[bmacy168]

yeah thats why judges are so frustrating, I thought GGG won the first fight with Canelo clearly and the edged him in the second one, but some fans just go with the decisions no matter if they were questionable or not

[_Rexy_]

Once you lose, you’re exposed. Doesn’t matter if it’s a KO, a shutout in the cards, or a 7-5 loss; you’ve been exposed. Hell, a draw means you’ve also been exposed. Also, a close win is being exposed.